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Humira or Remicade for fistula? Which is better?
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minnietoty
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Posted 1/12/2016 6:29 PM (GMT -5)
Saw my GI today. Now, I have a confirmed diagnosis of Crohn's. He wants to start me off on biologics. He told me that I could be put on either Remicade or Humira. He'll leave it for the insurance company.
I'll take both the biologic and Imuran. Then, when the healing of the fistula is confirmed, I'll stop the biologic and stay on Imuran only.
He mentioned that the recurrence of the fistula is possible but not with a higher percentage. So, he'll leave the other biologic till after the recurrence if it happens.
Ides
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Posted 1/12/2016 7:40 PM (GMT -5)
In one study, patients with your type of fistula had a 78% successful closure of it with Remicade.
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/472657
In clinical trials, Humira closed 58% of fistulae in one year.
gypsyfp
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Posted 1/12/2016 7:51 PM (GMT -5)
Why would you stop the biologic if it was working? Stopping Remicade for any reason and then trying to restart it when the fistula re
opens only increases the odds of you having an allergic reaction to that particular biologic.
Fistulas don't really go away permanently despite medications and surgeries.
They close up every once in awhile, but the fistula tract remains.
My GI told me that there were no studies proving that Humira was effective in fistula closure. This was in early 2010. So we decided to go with Remicade and it was life changing. It closed my fistula for 5 months. I'm still on it even though it isn't able to keep the fistula closed.
pb4
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Posted 1/12/2016 9:36 PM (GMT -5)
I've heard that Humira is slightly better for CDers especially with fistula healing (worked well and quickly for my rectovaginal fistula I had) but my GI offered either of the 2 (Remi or Humira) to choose from myself since he explained they are virtually identical in how they work and how well they work it's simply a matter of some people having better results with one over the other and the fact that Humira is made with a human protein (so no need for Imuran type meds to help prevent antibodies from developing from using Humira or Remicade) but with Remicade, Imuran type meds are needed/recommended to help reduce the higher risk of developing antibodies from it due to being made with a mouse protein.
I think your GI is very off in his thinking though, my GI won't even let me go back down to biweekly shots with Humira (BTW, my fistula was already healed before I went to weekly Humira, that's how quickly it worked, about
2 months for the fistula relief) so my GI would definitely never recommend anyone go off their biologic once it gets them into remission because you will most definitely rebound back into a flare and there's a small chance that if you go back on Humira (or any other biologic) it may not work as well or even at all or take much longer to work again. Based on that info your GI gave to you, I would be seeking a second and third opinion from other GI's and see what they say about
your current GI's plan to take you off your biologic once you're in remission/fistula is healed...I'd be shocked if they agreed with your GI.
gumby44
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Posted 1/12/2016 10:49 PM (GMT -5)
I don't have experience with biologics to offer any advice, but congrats on finally getting a Crohn's diagnosis...it's about
time!!!
ep49
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Posted 1/13/2016 3:56 AM (GMT -5)
I was on Humira for 9 months but developed a colon abscess and had to stop using it. I ended up having surgery, but when they went in to remove my rectal stump, it had adhered to my vaginal wall due to a fistula. So, apparently the Humira did heal the fistula. I had so much inflammation and infection everywhere, so I am sure that didn't help matters, but it was surprising that it healed that way.
The disease is rearing it's ugly head again after 2 years post surgery, in the remainder of my colon, which is my ascending colon. My GI wants me to try Remicade now. I am hopeful and nervous at the same time, but I guess we have to try something. I am praying it works and doesn't cause unpleasant side effects.
lamb61
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Posted 1/13/2016 6:44 AM (GMT -5)
I agree that stopping the biologic doesn't make alot of sense. But that's something you can discuss with him down the road.
But I'm kinda bummed that other people had their fistulas healed with Humira. Figures I'm one of the "special" ones whose fistula didn't heal with it.
minnietoty
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Posted 1/13/2016 1:16 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you all. Really appreciate your replies. Well, the insurance company is for remicade. We're still in the negotiation process.
Though I have always wanted to reach a definite diagnosis, having it now is causing me perplexion. I feel I'm lost. I need to have some time off and start re-planning things. I'm not angry with the diagnosis; I'm just overwhelmed. Things happened very quickly. Till last week, I didn't have any definite diagnosis. Now, I do. Things at work are too hectic these days. I have insomnia and keep thinking a lot.
I read a lot about
this disease. Thanks to you and to HW.
alljns
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Posted 1/14/2016 3:01 PM (GMT -5)
I have had both Remicade and Humira. Remicade is a stronger drug and was more effective.
Jen77
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Posted 1/14/2016 3:11 PM (GMT -5)
I would say Remicade for sure. But I agree with the others, it makes no sense to go off of it once it's working.
NiceCupOfTea
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Posted 1/14/2016 7:02 PM (GMT -5)
I dunno which is better, but I hope the biologic helps you. Try to stay on it if it does.
73monte
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Posted 1/14/2016 9:14 PM (GMT -5)
Remicade seems to have a better track record for fistula healing. Agree with the other posters. Once started, it makes absolutely no sense to discontinue it. You could also experience anti-bodies to Remicade as a result, which would make it difficult to go back to in the future.
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