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Posted 9/9/2010 8:40 AM (GMT -5)
I'm having a herx day so while I don't feel like doing anything else, I'm on here looking for answers....  This whole thing sucks because I want to be a productive person again...one who has a mind.  Ok, whining over.  I try to do my whining when the herx is the worst!

One of my dilemmas, and maybe a dilemma of many, is that I am not hungry in the mornings but I need to get something in...especially to coat my stomach for the antibiotics.  Right now I'm making a breakfast drink of a product called Rice and Shine, 1/2 teaspoon Udo's Blend 3-6-9 oil, some plain yogourt, and almond milk.  I'm running out of the Rice and Shine and I'm not all that smitten with it anyway.  It was in my freezer from last year and thought I'd use it.  Does anybody have a good morning drink they put together?  I really can't tolerate food most mornings especially herx ones.  Another problem is going to be doxy.  I will be cycling into it in 7 days and it can't be taken with or close to dairy.  The almond milk should be ok but I can't use yogourt or kefir.

I know some of you have been at this a long time and surely you have some ideas.  Thanks....

Posted 9/9/2010 9:02 AM (GMT -5)
I eat eggs in the morning. Croassants, toasted beggels with v. little butter, wheat cereal--sometimes I do not put any milk in it, sometimes I do. Fruit: I like apples as they are very mild on the empty stomach and sometimes I eat them with beggels.

The only drinks I drink are unsweetened tea and water. Kefir for probiotics. My mom was a nurse and she is big on mint tea. I use it for when I have stomach problems with lemon and it works great! She is also big on Camomille tea (it has health benefits), so I use that as well with lemmon. Shreaded wheat is very plain--I don't like it but I eat it! I would rather eat chocolate for breakfast! LOL

Pretty much, I was so sick when I was pregnant with my son, I could only eat croassants and pickles! Have you tried some tea? There are so many flavors out there, you should be able to find something you like. Teas are great antioxidants.
Posted 9/9/2010 9:50 AM (GMT -5)
Simela, I am not eating wheat products...or sugar of any kind. UGH! But the biggest problem is the AVERSION to food in the mornings. I think that has something to do with adrenals and cortisol, but until I get the suckers working again, I have to deal with it. I can usually get something liquid down if it has some substance. What a mess this is! I thought about whey, but I think it's dairy based, which won't work with the doxy when I start it. I have learned to love Kefir...plain, of course! Somebody mentioned Greek yogourt has a different strain of bacteria, which I need to get just to add to the collection of probiotics. But not necessarily for breakfast.
Posted 9/9/2010 10:57 AM (GMT -5)
Giggle Mamyou!!!
I thought I was the only one with an aversion to food!!! Especially in the am!!!

I am receiving the on line version of "Living Without" - 'the magazine for people with allergies and food sensitivities"

You might check into it - they have a whole bunch of recipes!!! Although this probably won't help with the aversion to food in the am eyes

www.livingwithout.com/

Hope this is of some help to you!
Posted 9/9/2010 11:28 AM (GMT -5)
No, Trav, it must be common enough that it's mentioned in my Adrenal Fatigue book....somewhere....! It's tough trying to navigate around wheat and sugar....and sometimes on weekends I sin...I mean really SIN. I'll have my husband drive thru McDonalds and I'll have 4 chicken nuggets and dip them in barbecue sauce. Mostly at home I'm eating veggies, have been juicing some (put garlic in yesterday and it didn't set well), but my biggest staples are hummus on organic blue corn tortilla chips and boiled eggs...but NOT in the mornings!! There must be an instant protein drink somewhere that tastes good and will provide some nutrition for the earlier part of the day??????

I checked out the livingwithout site....great ideas. I don't know that I'm actually allergic to wheat, but I did read that most lymies shouldn't be eating it....so I listened!!!
Posted 9/9/2010 11:39 AM (GMT -5)
Wow!! You found that in a book??? Interesting! I have been complaining about that since I was in my early teens!!! It is really a hassle to try to eat when you have an aversion to food!!

I have found that when I am over-stressed, I have a sensitivity to wheat products, so I avoid them during those times in my life.

I'm still searching for something that I can get down me on a regular basis in the am - something other than cold cereal!!!

Thanx for posting this, I'll be interested in what others may suggest!!
Posted 9/9/2010 12:09 PM (GMT -5)
ok, Trav...since I have NO LIFE today (!!!!) I dug out my Adrenal Fatigue book and I (almost) quote: One of the major dietary mistakes made by people with low adrenal output is not eating soon enough after waking. It is extremely important if you have hypoadrenia that you eat before 10 AM. Even a small nutritious snack is better than nothing at all. There are two factors that tend to diminish your appetite during the early morning hours. Between 6 and 8 AM, cortisol levels typically rise rapidly, peaking at around 8 AM, and while your cortisol levels are higher, you may not feel like eating. In addition, the low liver function that often accompanies low adrenal function also suppresses early morning hunger. If your liver is very congested, you may sometimes even FEEL AN AVERSION to food in the morning.....

I know my adrenals are shot (stress) and so is my liver (chemo and lyme and whatever else), so this makes sense to me....
Posted 9/9/2010 12:16 PM (GMT -5)
Ohhh, I don't have any reason to doubt you, Mamyou. Actually, you just reinforced my belief that the liver cleanse that I did not too long ago really did help!!! Since doing the cleanse, it has been easier for me to eat in the am, I'm just really stuck on finding something I WANT to eat. I'm sure that the majority of this is just because I'm only just now getting used to eating in the am.

& BTW- I have no life today either!!! That's why I'm STILL on this forum!!! I'm not going to get very much done today at all. oh well....
Posted 9/9/2010 12:56 PM (GMT -5)
Trav, I was sure you didn't doubt me (!!!!), but I wanted to reinforce it with something concrete!! I always like pulling out that book because it makes so much sense to me. I couldn't treat my adrenals and/or thyroid and couldn't figure out why...it's the lyme and whatever else that's interfering...I'm sure of it. Looking forward to getting the critters under control so I can try some kind of "normal" treatment.....Maybe I should try your liver cleanse...it did sound easy.

My problem is what I want to eat vs what I CAN eat. Have been reading labels like mad and everything stored in the cupboard has either sugar or high fructose corn syrup....

I've been on and off the forum. Will wander around the house then end up back in front of the computer.....I hate herx days....
Posted 9/9/2010 1:20 PM (GMT -5)
LOLOL!! I just thought you were looking in on me & telling me that it was past time for me to eat!!! Giggle!!!

I have had to avoid real sugar for over 10 years now & am also trying to avoid the high fructose corn syrup as well. Boy isn't that a challenge!!! I have also had to avoid all dairy for many years due to lactose intolerance. Fortunately I only have to be careful on 'bad' days now, but I used to wind up doubled over & on the ground if I accidently ate something with "milk solids" in it.

I know what you mean about the wandering about the house for a few minutes then back in front of the computer!! I received some very traumatic news over the weekend & it sent me into a bit of a downward spiral - boy does that s^ck!!! Anyway, I am grateful that I have this place to come & get my mind off of things!! And thank you for the kindness you show!!
Posted 9/9/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -5)
Trav, I'm sorry for your bad news....is there any other kind, really???? Please don't let the downward spiral go too far. My two big ones for this week is that since we had to close the business, I've been working on close-down stuff for the two states we did work and getting letters to all the folks we can't pay giving them bankruptcy information. Stressful, but actually, that's the little one.... The bigger is that my cousin (single and nearly 60) lives in Boulder, and her house went up in flames with the wildfires. She did save herself, her car, her dog, two cellos and her computer. Not much to show for a lifetime....

ANYTIME is time to eat here. Since eliminating so much from my diet, I graze all day.... It seems the herx days are similar to the old chemo days. I feel better while I'm eating...not before and not after...during....

A lot of the symptoms of adrenal fatigue parallel those of lyme (and probably dozens of others). No wonder we're labelled crazy.....
Posted 9/9/2010 3:49 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you for your concerns, Mamyou! I had kinda been keeping up with what you have been going through - so sorry for the troubles you are going through right now as well.

Didn't you say that you were Union?? My hubby was a Union Wireman until Dec of '08, when he had to go out on Disability.

Grazing is closer to how I believe a person should eat anyway - but that's just my opinion.
Posted 9/9/2010 4:48 PM (GMT -5)
I think Kefir can be made from almond milk. Also, there is soy-based dairy-free yogurt available (I've seen it in grocery stores, if you know where to look...sometimes it is in a separate "health food" section)...Whole Foods or other health food stores usually have it...

Also, nut milk and a little organic fresh fruit and some flax or other seeds (sesame, etc.), with or without a little Agave or Stevia, whirled around in the blendar would be pretty tasty in the morning...
Posted 9/9/2010 7:11 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Razzle, Funny you should mention Whole Foods. I was thinking about them this evening and wondering what I'm going to do when the garden closes down for the winter. It will be a 60 mile one-way trip to get to a Whole Foods store but I'm thinking it might be worth it. Probably not every week but maybe every two or three. I'm really trying to focus on nutrition and rest these days. I HAVE to get back on my feet. I will do some research about kefir from almond milk. That would solve a problem. Several years ago I saw packets of kefir starter in a health food store, probably when I lived in Atlanta. Seems to me if the temperature was right, it should incubate in just about any liquid???? I liked the idea of the nut milk/fresh fruit and flax seeds. The flax seeds would give it some body and be satisfying in the mornings. Will post if I hit upon a real winning combination.

Trav, Thank you for your concern and I'm sorry your hubby had to get disability. Yes, we were a union contractor, signed with carpenters in two states, laborers in two states, & drywall finishers in two states. The thing that finally killed us in the end was the $50,000 worker's comp bill that had to be paid by 8/5 then they wanted $11,000 per month after that. We're still awaiting a payment from a general that should have been here in April. That will help clean up unpaid benefits. We were too small with no way to get sufficient credit...which in hindsight, is probably a good thing. The positive is that I can now focus on ME...It's all about ME!!!! and the getting well part!!! I would like to learn enough to get us all well!!
Posted 9/9/2010 9:34 PM (GMT -5)
We are watching all kinds of Union workers loose their homes & life's savings lately - so even though hubby had to go out of disability, it was a good thing for the timing.

Kefir can be made with any type of 'milk'.

If you wanted to email me, I could set you up to get kefir grains. Also here is a great site that will tell you probably more than you ever wanted to know about kefir!!!
users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html

I receive absolutely nothing from that website, I only found it to be incredibly useful.
Posted 9/10/2010 2:39 AM (GMT -5)
Mamyou,

Have you tried a protein shake in the morning? I'm not a breakfast person either and protein shakes really help. The ones I drink do have a tiny bit of sugar in them though. You can substitute with stevia if you make your own. I order mine online. Also, when I can eat, I eat oatmeal with blueberries in it sweetened with stevia. It keeps me full for hours and I feel better during the day.
Posted 9/10/2010 7:19 AM (GMT -5)
CajunGirl, Good Morning. But exactly which protein shake? Where do you order from? I order supplements from Vitamin Shoppe, do you know anything about their products? There's a bunch of drinks out there and I don't want to start trying them willy-nilly. I've tried oatmeal on my better days. It does seem to keep blood sugar level but sometimes even it doesn't set well. I'm hoping when I get the critters down to a mild roar, I'll be able to get a handle on this little problem.

Trav, In this terrible economy, the one group of carpenters and drywall finishers got a pretty big raise. I was mortified for lots of reasons...some selfish, some common sense. I recently found out that many weren't working, and I said yes, the ones who are working will make more money, BUT they have priced themselves out of business and a larger percentage will be unemployed. Usually in the summer months, it was hard to find a union person not working. Not this year. Very sad. On the brighter note, Trav, sounds like hubby was forced to make a good decision. At least he knows there will be a check.
Posted 9/10/2010 7:23 AM (GMT -5)
Wow! Trav, the kefir site is amazing. I looked at it but didn't study. I may be interested in getting the grains since it's a different culture than yogourt....Will let you know. Thanks.
Posted 9/10/2010 4:06 PM (GMT -5)
Hi everyone.  I too have no appetite in the morning but have to make myself eat to take the abx.  Actually I rarely am hungry anymore. 

But if you want a really tasty protein drink - I really like Jay Robb's shakes.  http://www.jayrobb.com/jayRobbProtein.asp  I drink it with Rice Milk.

Usually for breakfast, I have small apple and a couple of scrambled eggs. 

Posted 9/10/2010 5:24 PM (GMT -5)
I'm guilty!!!   I do not eat anything in the morning!  I was never a breakfast person and after 50 years, I am still not a breakfast person...  I do have my cup of coffee which I love..  And that's that..   LOL!!

Denise

Posted 9/10/2010 8:47 PM (GMT -5)
Ahhhh, Deejavu, all the experts say you NEED breakfast.... I agree with you, for years all I had before noon was a morning cup of tea with half & half. Since I'm trying to turn my health around, I'm trying to listen to "them" and eat within an hour of getting up...UGH....that's why I need to drink my breakfast....
Posted 9/11/2010 11:47 AM (GMT -5)
You are definitely not alone is trying to change somethings like that, Mamyou!!!
I am struggling right along with you on trying to get breakfast down - on a regular basis - UGH!!
Posted 9/11/2010 12:38 PM (GMT -5)
Missy Joy - The Jay Robb shakes looked interested but appears to be dairy based. Will be a no-no with the doxy. Maybe later when I'm on something different.... Thank you for the site.

Trav - I still say drinking breakfast is an answer to the not being able to eat thing. And I don't make a big amount, maybe 4 ounces. I may have to order more of the rice protein drink but don't want to...it's prohibitively expensive when you don't have a $100 membership..... It was a lot less aggravating when I wasn't trying to kill squiggly critters....

It's an ok day for me today. 2nd day of a 7-day antibiotic hiatus....then I start the doxy.... I have a feeling it will be a lot of whining after that....
Posted 9/11/2010 3:37 PM (GMT -5)
LOL, Mamyou!!!
We'll be right here to help you get through the whining stages as well!!!! smilewinkgrin

When you go to the doxy, you don't have to necessarily have to stop taking in all dairy, but you do need to keep the abx & the dairy intake at least two hours apart.
Posted 9/11/2010 7:52 PM (GMT -5)
Quinoa and blueberries makes a good breakfast cereal that's wheat/dairy/sugar free.
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