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Posted 8/10/2012 11:01 AM (GMT -5)
So I do this thing that I've always associated with panic attacks - those completely uncontrollable, unnecessary, and weird feelings of fear when there is no reason for it. These have come as a gift along with the infections for me.

I always assumed that they were just that - panic attacks, but now I'm questioning it. Last night I was sitting in my most comfortable recliner after all my chores were done for the night to relax a bit before starting my night-time routines, and my muscles, one group at a time, started shivering violently enough to move me around my chair a bit and make the dogs all get down (Giggle!).

I've had this many times, but it used to always be with that lump in the throat, panicky feeling that I knew wasn't reasonable (but it happened anyway) that comes with panic attacks. Now without that panicky feeling, I'm wondering if it isn't more just a case of serious muscle spasming or something else???

Anyone with any ideas? It's so hard trying to talk with others that haven't experienced this, that I haven't even brought this up to anyone else yet!
Posted 8/10/2012 12:35 PM (GMT -5)
My wife regularly has muscle spasms. She just tolerates them, but if she was out somewhere and it happened it's crazy enough that people might call 911.
Posted 8/10/2012 12:44 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you for responding, Fly135!

I have lots of muscle spasms that are localized that make an arm or leg bounce around a bit, but with these I've actually 'bounced' or shook so hard that I've made my way off of a couch and a chair, although they are usually not that strong. What happened last night though did shake the recliner. When it happens when I'm in bed with hubby, he always asks me about it, so I know that he can feel the bed moving.

I was wondering if these were part of the anxiety/panic attacks or if they were more just simple muscle spasms that are way over board or of out of control.
Posted 8/10/2012 1:01 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Traveler.
Yes, I get these attacks ,too.My attacks are not connected with,dry throats,sweating or a tight feeling in my chest, so definitely not panic . Mine usually occur in bed ,either, just when I'm falling asleep or very rarely when I change position.It is funny that you mentioned your dogs.since my husband died 2 years ago, I have shared my bed with my 2 wirehaired dachshunds,I find their presence comforting.Well, my poor dogs have deserted me ,I think they're convinced that an earthquake is happening LOL:there is no way I can entice them back to bed-too much shaking.I think it is muscle spasms. I can't think of any other explanation.
Posted 8/10/2012 1:08 PM (GMT -5)
Well, first of all, I'm so sorry that you have been plagued by this as well.

My dogs are staying away from my legs and me in general in the bed!! LOL!!!

Sometimes I get one single pain that's very short lived in the center, but up high on my chest, not far below the collar bone, but not always. It just one muscle group after another that spasm like crazy, making me look like I have severe chills, but one round is rarely enough evidently! eyes

Thank you for your response. It gives me a bit more to go on!
Posted 8/10/2012 1:18 PM (GMT -5)
How strange!that's exactly the same position where most of my spasms occur-around the collar bone and then sometimes they progress down my body and end up in my thighs.One thing about Lymes,it is always good for a suprise.
Posted 8/10/2012 5:33 PM (GMT -5)
Unfortunately you are right about the surprises! smhair I'll be sooo happy to not get those kinds of surprises any time now!! LOL!!!
Posted 8/11/2012 11:35 AM (GMT -5)
Hey Traveler,

Is it possible that you may need more magnesium?  Of course I'm not a doctor and don't know if you are taking any mag. 

Just a thought,

Denise

Posted 8/11/2012 1:00 PM (GMT -5)
Heeeyy Denutsy!!turn LOL!
Thanks for chiming in here!! I'm still taking magnesium to bowel tolerance -for me that works out to be a fairly consistent 2,000 mgs am & pm, for a total of 4,000 mgs a day - every day.

I haven't had these kinds of muscle issues in a while, and this seems like it's only 1/2 of a panic attack - since it's just the muscles spasming like crazy. I hate this too! I'm sooo exhausted for a full day afterwards! Like I'm wearing a lead suit! UGH!shakehead

I'm trying to figure out if it's the infection gaining ground again, or more of a muscular or panic attack issue, but as usual when it's me, I'm stumped!! LOL! Don't suppose you have any more ideas??? Hmmmm??? smilewinkgrin
Posted 8/11/2012 2:13 PM (GMT -5)
HI Travler,,
I have something like that.. here is how I discribe it..like i lose control of my body, if you have ever seen someoe with parkisons how they shake and lose control of walking or sitting still..everything is just moving like a puppet master has strings attached and doing the moving for you. Mine do not hurt, I am completely aware of what is happening.. but can't seem to control any of it. then it passes .. and all is fine.. never lasts very long.. these started around the first of the year for me. One of the symptoms that helped my doc figure out it was Lyme . I do not know what to call mine except some sort of seizure.

Hope your having a better day today.. barb
Posted 8/11/2012 3:54 PM (GMT -5)
Hi again Traveler, LOL!

Yes, I do have another idea...  (are you surprised? LOLOL)...

I know 2 people personally (not members here) who went to Hansa and both of them had those twitches and spasms, etc.  Guess what toxin caused them?  Did you guess yet? 

Okay, are you ready?  Ammonia.  Our bodies naturally contain a certain amount of ammonia but when we have an overload of ammonia bad things start happening, one of them describes what is happening to you.   Articles about this are hard to find and a long time ago I did have some scientific evidence but I don't know where these articles are now. 

Okay, I found one from Dr. Sara J.:

http://jernigannutraceuticals.com/Ammonia.html

The bad news is I really don't know of any products that bind up ammonia except Dr. J's (here we go again!), Neuro-Antitox Formulas.   I would ask your practitioner to test you for ammonia (very common die-off from lyme bacteria, all strains).  Do you get muscle tested?  If so, can you get a vial of ammonia and have hubby test you?

Hope this helps!

DeeNutsy!  LOL yeah

Posted 8/11/2012 5:02 PM (GMT -5)
Oh, I honestly don't know if curezone is a reputable site so if it's not, please remove this link:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1350012

Again, another article that is interesting written by guess who?  LOL!  Don't you think I get tired of posting Dr. J's name but he has written some of the best articles:

http://healthyreferral.com/2010/09/the-alkaline-brain-lyme-borrelia-induced-hyper-ammonemia/

Denise

Posted 8/16/2012 5:57 PM (GMT -5)
Doing the bump for Traveler!  yeah
Posted 8/17/2012 7:08 AM (GMT -5)
LOL! Are we dancing now too?? turn
Thanks, Denise! I'm so sorry I haven't posted on this thread yet - I keep getting really busy! What a lovely thing though - it's so nice to have things to do besides my recovery!

I read through the info on those links, and although I totally agree with you, it really doesn't seem to be a detox thing - although I have stepped up my detoxing....just to be safe. wink No reason to not cover all my bases! As could be expected, that alone did help me feel better over all, so thanks!! smilewinkgrin
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