New Buhner bartonella protocol

LLMD started me on this recently and wondering if anyone's been on it long enough to know how it's working?

I was told most people start feeling  better after a month.

I like that you take two weeks off in between because it's sure difficult fitting everything in to a day.

This is all I'm doing right now. No abx.

 

The houttuyunia is very effective for bart at least for me personally and several others on here. I do not know if I herxed from using sida acuta or not but I used it for a month and a half before I stopped. I was asymptomatic from bart from the most part so I'm definitely not an expert on it but that is my two cents worth! Oh and I also used boneset tea. I will keep you updated on my recovery though!

May I ask what form the Houttuynia is in? How rough is it to get started on and how well you think it helped? I used only Houttuynia to treat my Bart and did well, so I'm looking for those that also have experience with it and hoping to gather some data on it to share with others.

If you haven't used it yet, would you be willing to post here your experience with it for others to be able to find?

Thank you in advance!

@skBM - I experienced the same when I tried to go off of knotweed....the first three times lol. I have been off for 3 weeks but I'm going to take a little bit b/c I still have a massive quantity left.

Hi Healing!

I purchased my houttuyunia from wawaza.com in the tea form - it is expensive but it lasts for a little while. I believe more and more places are carrying it b/c it is very effective. There is also HHZhang capsules - which I believe are more concentrated and pretty expensive. 1stchineseherbs.com now carries the cut form and powder and is by far - the most affordable. I actually really like the taste of the tea though and it didn't smell fishy to me. Maybe a little salty for tea but I didn't mind it. It seemed to have worked for me. It caused herxing and palpitations so I had to work up to it but now I imagine I could do a very high dose.

You can also get japanese knotweed whole powder form from 1stchineseherbs and make your own capsules. By far the most affordable. Unfortunately knotweed is really bitter - its the only herb I can't really put in a shake - i have to capsule it to take it. Resveratrol is active isolated constituent of knotweed. Hardcore herbalists believe you lose out on something though by just taking th resveratrol.

Tinctures in general tend to be stronger though that is not always the case. They are also more expensive. Many people have switched from tinctures to powder because initially - the tinctures were too strong and had to be worked up to.

A bit of advice for everyone using powders- POWDERS OXIDIZE RELATIVELY FAST SO STORE IN THE FREEZER OR FRIDGE AND TAKE A WEEKS WORTH OUT AT A TIME!!

I'm noticing that I have lost my appetite since starting all this. Went to grocery store and nothing appealed to me. Except tuna sandwich in deli but I'm gluten free.

Has anyone had this happen and which of the herbs/supps could be causing it? I don't need to lose anymore weight.

That is interesting rowingmom - I might pass the palpitation information from Houttyunia on to Buhners associate because I experienced the palpitations to the point where I went off of it several times per my herbalist and LLMD's insistence.

I put on Buhners website for one thing he wrote about Houttuyunia to let others know but it'd be nice to let them know too.

His sources are all listed in the back of his new coinfections book (mycoplasma and bartonella), as well as his explainations on the effects of the newer herbals (sida, houttuynia isatis etc). If you are using Buhner at all, you need this book.

Another good book to check out is "Herbal Antibiotics" by Buhner. It's an awesome book -- very little info on lyme/coinfections, but that's what his other books are for -- this one is just an awesome resource in general. I read almost the whole thing in one day.

Rowingmom- What were your daughters bart symptoms? Did foot pain have anything to do with it? Thanks for such a detailed description of your herbs. If you wouldn't mind I would LOVE a detailed recipe. My feet are KILLING me and I can only think its bart. I work on my feet and yet the pain is so bad for years its causing nausea and I cry. Sometimes it even hurts to drive my car and since I own a little flower shop this makes my days unbearable. I can't find a LLMD so any help is MUCH appreciated!
~Beth

Bartonella caused our daughter several problems. First was the physical pain - long bone pain (shin and forearm), skull pain and headache, sole (bottom of foot) pain, cyclic IBS symptoms. Next were the neurological symptoms - PANS (pediatric autoimmune neurological syndrome) which included: raging, ADHD, loss of fine motor ability, urinary frequency, social/age regressive behaviour, tourette's-like ticcing (both motor and vocal), OCD, fatigue and insomnia.

Foot pain was one of her symptoms, but didn't show up until just before we started treatment.

I have foot pain myself. In the morning it felt like it was in the bottom of my feet. It was hard to stand when getting out of bed. Later in the day it migrated to the tarsals and hurt as they bent while walking.

Houttuynia powder decoction 1/4 tsp TID (1st ChineseHerbs), sida actua tincture 1/4 tsp BID (WoodlandEssence) and Japanese knotweed powder decoction 1/4 tsp TID(1st ChineseHerbs), help these symptoms immensely.

These herbs really work, but I find they work better if I am eating a non-inflammatory type diet. See PerfectHealthDiet or Terry Wahls for that.

You shouldn't treat yourself using my dosages, they are a little low, but that is all I can handle. I did over do houttuynia for a bit there and inflammation/pain actually increased. Japanese knotweed can cause low blood pressure, but Buhner also suggests cordyceps and rhodiola, which I find help with this side-effect.

Purchase Buhner's book on the bartonella/mycoplasma coinfections. All of the information is there including sources for the herbs. His book on herbal antibiotics for resistant bacterial infections describes in detail how to prepare tinctures, decoctions and glycerites.

If you need help, his associate Julie McIntyre is available for consultation. She will get you going on the right track.

When you are living without pain, the feeling is amazing!