banderol/samento/serapeptase+g-fruit seed+my story

I posted on here a few weeks back. Hopefully I do not have lyme.

Here is the situation:  about 28 days ago I had some sort of bite on my leg. I had been walking in some woodsy area that week. But, also weirdly I had seen a big spider crawling out of my bed sheets on night earlier in that week too- which is something that never happens to me but did this one time.

so I did not take a picture of the bite the day it had a rash but I did take one the next day and the rash was gone--- I am trying to figure out if I can link a photo of it on here to get your opinions but not sure how- if you all know how tell me please.

So the rash only lasted one day. On that very day I went into a natropath doctor and showed it to her. It had a puncture in the middle and a rash around it n two sides- not a complete circle like the photos I see, but two half circles more like an oval and not quite connected. It appeared and then went away the next day and never spread.

She prescribed doxyxycline 400 mg a day for 30 days. and grapefruitseed extract and serapetase. Alternatively she said I could take banderol and samento, 30 drops twice a day, and the serapeptase and g-fruit seed.

I took the doxy and threw up the first day. I went to my regular md 2 days later and she said

 it did not seem like lyme ( there was no rash anymore) and the am't of antibiotics was dangerously high and I should do nothing.

I ended up doing 200 mg of doxy for 10 days and on the 11th day I took a 200 mg of doxy and threw up 6 times and felt rally poisoned. I stopped after that.

I though about starting the herbs then, and did them once or twice but then wasn't even sure I had to do anything. So then a couple of weeks passed. I made an appointment with a healer I trust but could not get a soon appointment- I see her in a few days to get her advice.

So the thing is, I do not know how a tick could have been on me for even a few hours- because I do thorough tick checks every day (except in the winter). in which I take off all my clothes and put them in the laundry and check my body and have my husband check my body. The site of the bite is on my lower le g in a very visible place. So I wasn't sure if I could even have had a tick on me for a few hours.

So now I am worrying that everything wrong I feel in my body could be lyme. It has been about 28 days since the bite. I took all the herbs tonight with the thought that I will just do them for 30 days just in case. But I am concerned about the side effects.

I know it has been disproved that atick has to be on someone for 24 hrs+ to transmit lyme- but I do not know that a tick could have been on me even 2 hours. I don't know if I had a tick bite or maybe a spider bite? The orginal natropath I saw is very young and new so I don't 100% trust her--- but then again she did say it looked like lyme.

So should I take the thirty days of herbs just in case? what kind of side effects might I find with them? any other opinions?

 

Hi,

You stated, "So now I am worrying that everything wrong I feel in my body could be lyme."

You don't mention what is wrong that you're feeling in your body. That could help us understand what you're referring to.

I'm very sorry you're having to deal with all of this, and how confusing it is, too. Just don't stop trying to find the answers. You're on the right track, and hang in there. The sooner you know is always the better, and you're doing trying to find the answers, so keep doing until you get the right answers.

Katebirch - Please take what I say here deadly serious (as if you very health and your life depended on it)

Please find an experienced, knowledgeable Lyme Literate MD (LLMD) who will immediately test you for Lyme and the myriad of confections that come with these bites. I would also highly recommend you continue treatment with an antibiotic and at a dosage that your body can handle, regardless of whether or not you test positive. It is critically important that you continue this uninterrupted for at least the recommended period of time (usually 3 to 4 weeks and longer if your MD will allow in my very humble non-medical opinion).

You stand to lose nothing by doing this, but you do stand to lose everything if you do not treat this using the minimum guidelines.

I also wanted to mention, Ive read that grapefruit seed extract (GSE) diminishes the effectiveness of certain ABXs (especially Doxycycline). I could not find medically published proof, but they do talk about it all over the Internet:

http://www.tiredoflyme.com/5-reasons-why-you-may-not-be-herxing.html#.UmcgmlP3-Uk

I just briefly looked up lyme literate MD's on google for my state and the first one who came up is the person I saw on the second day!

The thing is, I did a lot of research and understand that there are different approaches to this and that many MDs are not treating it right and it is a huge problem. So I think what makes the person I saw lyme literate is that she prescribes a 30 day course of antibiotics with the additional herbs for the cyst form and the biofilm. And also the herbal alternatives. But she did not offer me any form of test. And she did not help me figure out if my one day rash which was gone when I saw her the next day was lyme or not. She just said, yes do the course. And her associate, the natropath who I saw when I had the rash, did not take a photo of the rash ( I wish she had) or even measure it!

So in other words, even though I saw a supposed llmd right away, I am still feeling confused.  The person I am seeing in a couple of days is a more experienced healer in the same clinic--- so I am hoping she can advise me. I will ask her what kinds of tests are available. My regular md had said there is attest but it is unreliable.

But yes. I would really like to get a test to know for sure so maybe I can do that in a cuple of days when I see this other person. Again, what shold I know about tests for lyme? are there different kinds?

I was a little unclear in my post-- I 1st saw a natropath and then saw a supposed lyme literate doctor but she is also a natropath and I felt she was not at all thorough. The thing is, I did not even think about getting tested- how weird. And only my MD suggested it casually--- the natropath and "lyme specialist" did not even suggest it. I find this unsettling. I think I should get tested right away- I will call a doctor tomorrow to see if I can get the blood test. It is weird that I have been doing so much research and all this but did not even get a simple test for it.

Are there different types of tests and one in particular I should ask for?

I am kind of freaked out that I didn't even think of getting tested. I mean it crossed my mind but it seems so obvious now that I should get tested. Any counsel on testing that I should know?

the bit did not feel hot as I recall. I am not sure though.

The doctor that told you the above is correct - Banderol and samento are just as effective as Doxy, when taken properly.

The tests are quite inaccurate - only about 50% of those that actually have Lyme will test positive on the current blood tests.

Be sure that you finish this protocol as directed!!! There are many on here that will tell you (me included!) that it's not worth the chance of having chronic Lyme no matter what you have to take!

Hi Kate,

Oh you are so wise. I think your plan is a great one. I think you will always need to keep in the back of your mind that you had the exposure to lyme, should you ever start experiencing strange symptoms. Given that you are asymptomatic I think 30 days is a good rule of thumb. :) I agree with Trav.

~beth

what is considered early? I had the bite about 29 days ago--- did the antibiotics for 10 days starting right away, then took 11 days with no medicine and now am back on the thirty days of herbs which I will do all the way through, Is this still early enough to eradicate it? I hope so-------.

I'm sorry Katebirch, I did not mean to throw a monkey wrench into your thinking!!

"Early enough" is different for each person unfortunately, but it does sound like you may have caught it 'early enough' for you, based on the lack of symptoms that you have listed here. The only way to know for sure is to watch for a relapse once you finish your treatment.

ILADS has to stand behind what can/has been proven in the labs - not many studies have been done with herbs....yet. Dr. Eva Sapi has done the one on Banderol and Samento and has proven the combination to be as effective as Doxy, so yes, that will work!
www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html

I happen to believe in the power of herbal therapy, as it was the only way I could heal, but I have healed using those therapies! So I would want to tell you to use herbs, as I've seen enough evidence to convince me that not enough people using abx heal effectively. But I am biased in my opinion!! LOL!

While I didn't use Banderol, I did use the Samento, although it was in the form of Cats claw a more natural form of the herb.

As it says at the bottom of my posts, I used the "Chronic Tonic" which includes these herbs at different porportions:

St. Johnswort
Echinacea root
Eleuthero
Red Root
Thyme
Japanese Knotweed root
Sweet Annie (aka Artemisia annua)
Cats Claw (which Samento comes from)
Teasel
Neem
Oregano

Please note that this is for chronic infections with Lyme disease though. I was untreated and undiagnosed for 37 years, and didn't get effective treatment until I used this herbal formula at which time I had been without effective treatment for 40 years - but it worked and worked well for me.

There are different herbs used for recent infections.