Hyperthermia in Vienna for Lyme

Good luck!!! And please, yes, keep us posted. I am excited for you...if you go back to 2008 on this forum you will find one person that did it and i think got cured, but then he/she got re infected. Did not mention how. I wish you the best. You will probably open the door to many of us.

Yes, I need info. too.

I can't take conventional abx., and am even having trouble with antimicrobials.

I've heard good things about the clinic in Germany, and I've heard of Paracelsus.

How much does the clinic in Vienna cost, and do you know for certain that it's a good place?

Would temps of 102 to 103 be enough to kill Lyme?

Margaret

Good luck and I hope you feel well enough to explore Vienna! It is beautiful! Not as nice as Prague but so much to see.

Dear Friends, Thanks for the words of encouragement.

So far so good - settled in the city and had my first visit with Dr. Kleef plus two shorter "mild" hyperthermia test runs last week. Dr. Kleef is very kind, and his enthusiasm and confidence in the hyperthermia is contagious. Though he doesn't really specialize in lyme or seem to know much about tick-borne infection (when I said I had Lyme & Babesia his comment was, "Oh, very rare," which I corrected and explained otherwise!). Nevertheless, his treatment has helped others with Lyme. He spent over an hour with me answering any and all questions and taking a genuine interest in my case and well-being.

The two "test-runs" were only 90 minutes each: 30 minute raising temp, 30 minutes holding at bat 99-100F, and then 30min. cool down. Very easy; just a little hot, sweating a lot. Didn't notice any major difference or change in symptoms, though I did feel slightly better both afternoons after the treatment. Both were accompanied by an IV of high-dose Vit. C and Mg.

The second treatment was also preceded by an ozone treatment of 150mL of my blood. I have some friends who have had good success with 'red ozone' treatment in Bali where they do larger quantities of blood through a dialysis machine, so I am trying to integrate this into the treatment here.

The full treatments begin next week, so very eager to see how it goes. Here's some other relevant info for our community:
- I am requesting ALA with the IV Vit. C going forward.

- I had a bunch of labs done in USA prior to coming, as they were covered by my insurance so saved in cost to do it ahead of time. The only thing that stood out was low levels of Cholinesterase, which appears due to my regular use of Unisom (Doxyalmine Succinate) and some Rx sleep meds that are anticholinergic. Stopping these and hoping the hyperthermia will help re-regulate sleep. Insomnia has been a major hurdle for me ...

- We ran some additional labs last week too, hopefully have results on Monday.

- Have requested to do Ozone treatments on separate days from the hyperthermia & ALA/Vit C, as I have heard that it's better not to MIX anti-oxidants (C, ALA) with Ozone (high Oxygen!). Don't know if this is true, but it makes sense intuitively, as does spacing out the immune-boosting effects of the hyperthermia and the ozone. Don't know how much the ozone treatment will help since it's only 150mL of blood they're doing, but it seems more effective than the "white ozone" treatment I dabbled with in the US, in which they add the ozone into a saline IV and then drip that into you.

- Also having a full body Infra-Red scan at the clinic which is supposed to detect any areas of inflammation in the body. Haven't heard of this before, but Dr. Kleef explained it is similar to a CT scan minus all of the radiation, and perhaps somewhat more accurate. I trust his medical judgment and guidance so am going forward with the test.

Please feel free to post questions / comments / tips. I found two other relevant sites on-line for hyperthermia. The first actually has some good info. The second is run by some Lymies who did Hyperthermia treatment and are now offering consulting services for folks coming to Europe to do treatment. I emailed them to ask if they could share some of their info with me, but the impression I got from their site is that they charge for sharing any info. I can understand setting up a business to do consulting and personal mentoring & guidance on specific cases. However, given the high cost of treatment and the dismal situation of our health care system's response to LD in the US, I find the fact that anyone with Lyme would charge a fellow patient simply for sharing info fairly disappointing! I'll let y'all know if they respond to my email query.

Some info here: http://healthspaceclinics.com.au/blog/hyperthermia-a-cure-for-lyme-disease
Not so much here: http://lymeandcancerservices.com

btw - on a personal note - today's my 37th birthday!

One thing I know is that raising my body heat (hot tubs, working outside in hot weather, vigorous exercise etc) seems to aggravate my symptoms and increase the activity of the little spirochetes in my body probably getting them to multiply (they do like it hot :)
So I avoid those heat rises unless I am on antibiotics when the drugs can send them on to their next life so to speak!

Please let us know!!!

Do you find it strange that the doc. doesn't know that much about Lyme and co infections?

I hope you're enjoying Vienna and the Tuscan countryside.

Margaret

Hi All - so, half way through the treatments and wanted to give an update:

The clinic staff and doctor are great. Very kind and supportive. Someone asked if I thought it was strange that Dr. Kleef didn't know a lot about Lyme or Coinfx; no - i don't think it's strange. His clinic specializes in cancer & oncology, and Lyme patients are fewer.

The treatments themselves have been quite challenging. Getting up to 39-40C (103-104F) is very challenging on the body. It requires a lot of patience and physical endurance. Fortunately, my symptoms improved a lot over the summer leading up to the treatment so I am stronger. POST-TREATMENT is sometimes just as hard or harder - often will have a splitting headache (in spite of super-hydrating before, during, after), and then have residual effects of the fever for hours including chills, sweats, and generally feeling weak & crappy. By the next morning I've generally felt better. Doc says it is from the detox. Could be herxing too, hard to tell.

It is way too early to tell if this treatment is "working". I do have the intuitive feeling that it is strengthening my immune system, and helping my body to detox superbly. Is it killing the infections, reducing pathogen load? Don't know. I think the benefit of this treatment will be seen more long-term: 3 months, 6 months, 1 year hence. I intend to post updates periodically.

A few other notes on the nuts and bolts: I am receiving IV treatment DURING the hyperthermia sessions as follows: high dose Vit. C 7.5gm; Mg 400mg; followed by ALA 600mg.

Two times a week I am receiving Ozone treatments of blood, as 25 mcg / mL of blood. We do 150-200 mL of blood at a time.

During the treatments I am also taking the following detox, cyst, & anti-microbial support (spaced out over the 4-5 hours):
- Electrolyte capsules throughout
- GSE (500mg) and 3-4 Interphase Plus (biofilm disrupter)
- Cyrptolepsis & CSA blend anti-Babesia tinctures (Buhner)
- D-Lenoite (Olive Leaf extract) w/Milk Thistle
- Super Artemisinin
- Phosphatdylcholine
- S-Acetyl Glutathione
- Resveratrol
- Adrenal Support (Dr. Ron's Adrenal)
- Reishi mushroom
- "Power Adapt" Adaptogenic herb blend

Pine Tree said...
Hi All - so, half way through the treatments and wanted to give an update:

The clinic staff and doctor are great. Very kind and supportive. Someone asked if I thought it was strange that Dr. Kleef didn't know a lot about Lyme or Coinfx; no - i don't think it's strange. His clinic specializes in cancer & oncology, and Lyme patients are fewer.

The treatments themselves have been quite challenging. Getting up to 39-40C (103-104F) is very challenging on the body. It requires a lot of patience and physical endurance. Fortunately, my symptoms improved a lot over the summer leading up to the treatment so I am stronger. POST-TREATMENT is sometimes just as hard or harder - often will have a splitting headache (in spite of super-hydrating before, during, after), and then have residual effects of the fever for hours including chills, sweats, and generally feeling weak & crappy. By the next morning I've generally felt better. Doc says it is from the detox. Could be herxing too, hard to tell.

It is way too early to tell if this treatment is "working". I do have the intuitive feeling that it is strengthening my immune system, and helping my body to detox superbly. Is it killing the infections, reducing pathogen load? Don't know. I think the benefit of this treatment will be seen more long-term: 3 months, 6 months, 1 year hence. I intend to post updates periodically.

A few other notes on the nuts and bolts: I am receiving IV treatment DURING the hyperthermia sessions as follows: high dose Vit. C 7.5gm; Mg 400mg; followed by ALA 600mg.

Two times a week I am receiving Ozone treatments of blood, as 25 mcg / mL of blood. We do 150-200 mL of blood at a time.

During the treatments I am also taking the following detox, cyst, & anti-microbial support (spaced out over the 4-5 hours):
- Electrolyte capsules throughout
- GSE (500mg) and 3-4 Interphase Plus (biofilm disrupter)
- Cyrptolepsis & CSA blend anti-Babesia tinctures (Buhner)
- D-Lenoite (Olive Leaf extract) w/Milk Thistle
- Super Artemisinin
- Phosphatdylcholine
- S-Acetyl Glutathione
- Resveratrol
- Adrenal Support (Dr. Ron's Adrenal)
- Reishi mushroom
- "Power Adapt" Adaptogenic herb blend

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