toxins, detox, not tolerating much with anti-microbial properties maybe even monolaurin now

Hi everyone,

I haven't posted for awhile, but am back with a question.

right now my son isn't seeming to tolerate anything that has an ability to "get" lyme, or yeast without herxing (urinary accidents and motor tics)- the latter due to overload of toxins.
I'm wondering if pekana homeopathic drops for liver, kidneys, and lymphs would help detox without causing die-off. Here are other things he's doing:
clay baths, epsom salt baths (those work well for him, b/c last night after his clay bath, he had two really big, and gross clumps of mucus come out of his nose easily.) lots of water, some with lemon, a 1/4 t chlorella in water, clean diet (anti-yeast), looking into curcumin, and going to try cilantro (low dose) and clay to bind.

situation is: my son (4) as of last July, really turned a corner, a good one and got to about 95%+ symptom free. He still is about that symptom free now even. So I feel very good about that at least.
we switched to herbs in Sept., glad about that decision, though I am grateful for how abx brought him to such a good place this past year.

long story short, is now we've started herbals (Beyond Balance) and I'm finding (he's finding; poor little guy) that they can pack a powerful punch.

was doing well until it increased the dose by one drop last month, then some herxing in the form of motor tics and urinary accidents.

Thanks to some helpful people, (rowingmom, traveler, Mary-thank you!) and thanks to llmd, it seems that the tics are a build-up of toxins; his body not being able to get ahead of the toxins from lyme (probably yeast too, which was an issue of his before, and I suspect now) and I've got some ideas of how to try to help him.

I let him detox days in a row, the ticcing starts to end, then I go and give him something else and the ticcing picks up a bit. (the latest was going back to monolaurin, which he had handled before, 1 whole scoop, no problem at all)

I don't know for sure that monolaurin was the latest culprit, but the ticcing had really subsided quite a bit. I've withheld the herbs for almost three weeks now, and I've seen the ticcing kind of arc. I mean it was sudden at first, not as strong, then would increase in amount of times and intensity, and then finally scale down (this taking days). The ticcing was scaling down a lot as of yesterday, so I thought, "I'll just add back the monolaurin at least", and I wonder if that increased the tic, b/c today the blinking was bad again.

It's a watch and see, and look-at-my-symptoms-charts thing right now. And interestingly all the tics started within 24-48 hours after herbs were increased or started again. This last ticcing hadn't fully resolved, but was much less when I added monolaurin, and then ticcing increased. Doesn't prove it's monolaurin, but I wonder. Oh, and he had a urinary accident last night, which he hadn't really had since on the herbs. On the herbs he started having accidents 1/2x every day.

If you've read this far and have any advice, I'm always up for learning more, or hearing stories.
The good news is, is that I feel like this time around (with ticcing; b/c it happened last year too before diagnosis) we know basically what is causing it, and have seen detoxing start to work for him. Then I go and add something anti-microbial back and bam, again. It's enough to make me want to not give him anything, supplement wise I mean, but then I think about how his system could probably use things to help detox. I'm kind of afraid to push it too hard, you know.
He could always handle his monolaurin before. Who knows, maybe that didn't increase it. It's kind of suspicious; the timing.

To be honest, I kind of feel guilty, although I know I shouldn't. But, I mean before the herbs, he didn't tic or herx, although still had a few symptoms, so I knew we weren't done with this all quite yet. abx had run their course with him though, and we can't leave lyme untreated of course…absolutely no way, even if 95%+ symptom free; that goes without saying. He'll get through this; I know he will. It's just hard in the meantime. I won't give in to stress or worry, but it's just hard sometimes.

what I repeat to myself all the time lately is the line of a favorite song of mine:
"Keep your eyes on the prize. Hold on."

Post Edited (stacestar) : 11/22/2014 12:08:32 AM (GMT-7)

I too want to applaud your dedication and willingness to learn and keep on trying - and your son's!!!

Have you tried using binders yet? If not, is there a reason?

I would have a hard time believing that the monolaurin wasn't the culprit this time. Another member, maybe Mister Mike??, noticed herxing when using it too.

How many detox baths is he taking each week? Maybe you could increase this or add foot soaks to it too?

Dry skin brushing doesn't just benefit the skin, it helps the lymph fluid move - this is our first line of filtering the blood (if I understand correctly), so it's important to be sure we are doing what we can. Will he tolerate dry skin brushing, even if he does it himself (if I remember, he's fairly young, right?) and doesn't do it perfectly? Maybe if his Mom were doing it at the same time???

And hang in there, the only thing you are guilty of is helping your son find and attain his healing from these dreadful infections!!!!

I'm sure that others will be along shortly with more suggestions.

Lymebarthiker, I would have to agree with you on that! Although we have other aspects that need to be in place as well, like treatments and supporting the immune system, if we can't move the toxins out of our bodies well enough, healing stops no matter what else you are doing or supporting.

thanks everyone!

the support here is always encouraging and helpful :)

Traveler, as for binders, two days ago I did just start giving him a little Bentonite clay. 1 teaspoon in a big glass of water, but he doesn't finish all of it. It seems to me I read it should be in a lot of water (6-8 oz.). Is that right? I'll have to be better at making him finish it. I chose clay b/c, I'd read it can work well and we already had some that was still good, from pre-lyme days (for me, a cleanse I was doing).
I have also started to give him about a 1/4 of a teaspoon of chlorella in water. I want to start small. I've read that chlorella is a binder. Is that right? as well as other good stuff.

He gets about 4-5 detox baths a week. I add baking soda first (read to do that somewhere) then either the clay, or epsom salts; usually epsom salts.
the first clay bath he had, after the bath, he was lying on the floor (not in pain) but said "I can't move". He could, I quickly made sure he could stand and move, but I think what he meant was his body/muscles were so relaxed I guess? or body in the process of detoxing, that he said it that way. He's had many clay baths after that and never said the same thing, so I don't worry about it's effects; I think it works well for him. And, like I mentioned earlier, he had some BIG mucus snots coming out of his nose after his last clay bath.

dry brushing…I try before his baths, and he wiggles and grabs the brush (he's 4) and says "mom, stop!" Then I let him do it and it's not quite the same, but maybe some good from it.

lymebarthiker- what is bioperine? I can look it up too, but if you don't mind giving info, that's great. thanks!

and, wow, do I agree with you guys about detox being one of the most important aspects to healing now. I knew it was important before, but now, seeing these herxes and learning that the toxins are too much right now, and he needs to get ahead of them, I understand much more fully how important detoxing is!

MisterMike: thanks for sharing your experience with Pekana. His llmd recommended the one for the liver last spring (should have got it), so she's on board with thinking that they work. I'm going to ask her about getting them. A mom whose daughter uses Beyond Balance, shared with me that her daughter's llmd had her do those 3 Pekana for a month before even starting the Beyond Balance herbals to get the lyme. We didn't do that. And, I wasn't good about his probiotics, unfortunately, for the first three weeks on the herbs too, and he had been off treatments of any kind for about 10 weeks (long story. he was feeling really good and I delayed the start of the herbs for a couple of reasons…anyway) I also think detoxing before we started the herbs would have been good. He hadn't been treated for awhile, he probably was getting yeast built up, so he was probably starting with a lot toxins to begin with and then enter the herbs.
detox, detox, detox. I'm understanding it more and more. And, build the immune system.

oh, and now that I think of it, was it ToddPaul who herxed from the monolaurin? maybe.
yeah, I think that monolaurin could have given my son a new round of toxins to deal with when he hadn't cleared sufficiently the previous ones. he was getting a whole scoop! (which he had done for months, since March) and the one scoop is equivalent to 3 scoops for an adult. It's the appropriate amount, but not if he's herxing from it, so I'm backing off on that now too.

Much to think about and do! Thanks everyone!

That was me!



I can only tolerate one pellet, if even that!





And yes, the herbals pack a mean punch!


Some say that MTHFR mutations make it harder to detox, so you may want to look into that.

Margaret