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Posted 3/16/2015 11:40 AM (GMT -5)
Hey everyone, happy Monday! (I can hear the groans).  I was wondering for those who have Bart in addition to Lyme, what are your symptoms?  Are you able to easily differentiate your bart symptoms vs. your lyme symptoms? 

For me, and I'm not sure if it's Bart vs. Lyme, but joint pain and really stiff and tight muscles are my biggest complaint.  I've had tight muscles for a long time but not like this.  My lower back is killing me all the time, even lying down (could this be caused from a misaligned hip from my Tourette's tics or very mild scoliosis or is it more likely Lyme/Bart???).  My other biggest issue is pain on the bottom of my feet, plantar fascitis, and burning on the soles of my feet.  Bad anxiety, night sweats and insomnia.  Again, not sure if it's the lyme or co-infection(s) but I'd love to hear from the group what they experience so I can make sure I'm not going nuts and it's all musculoskeletal or anxiety/stress related.

 

Posted 3/16/2015 1:02 PM (GMT -5)
With your feet that is a tell tale sign of bartonella that is distinct. I never had an easy time differentiating the symptoms either. I do believe insomnia is more linked to bartonella then lyme but it can also be a myriad of other causes like adrenal issues.

How long have you been in treatment for?
Posted 3/16/2015 2:11 PM (GMT -5)
Bart bart, nasty bart, it makes your whole body fall apart-

From the top of the head to the soles of your feet, makes you mean even if you're sweet-

Bart gets in your joints and bone, it makes you crabby and want to be alone-

Yeah, muscles tight and stiff and painful too, am I dumb? How do you count to two?

Anxiety can put you on the ceiling, a mean look and leave you crying and reeling-

IMO, bart is the bad-ass of this game, fatigue can grab hold till your lame lame lame-

So many symptoms, a lot overlap, for me, bart made me feel like complete crap-

You're not yourself, you may swagger and fall, if you don't get rid of bart once and for all-

Every last symptom has got to go, or you'll get it back and be killing some mo.
Posted 3/16/2015 2:38 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks guys for the reply.  Canleinthewind, that was quite a poem.  Was that something you just created or had on the shelves already from having Bart?
Posted 3/16/2015 6:19 PM (GMT -5)
Haha I just started it and couldn't stop!

Ok, to answer your question normal, yes, I had lower back pain for years. I'd wake up with pain and stiffness. That's much better now.
Pain and burning feet, yes, very much so. Can be hot or painfully cold at times. Also hands.

Anxiety? Yes, in the beginning and a little bit with herxing. Insomnia? Yes definitely with herxing bart I've had insomnia.

I saw your post about the streaks...looks like you're dealing with bart :(

Be strong
Posted 3/16/2015 9:04 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Dave,

I have Bart in addition to Lyme. Actually just had an appt with my doctor today and we talked a lot about it. Some of my Bart symptoms are eye issues, inner vibrating sensations, twitching, nerve issues/pain, upper GI issues, throat issues, mild shin pain, weird skin rashes and marks that come and fade away...there are others, I just can't think of them now.
Posted 3/16/2015 9:36 PM (GMT -5)
Yup, I think you are dealing with ugly bartonella.

I have a question for you, Dave: about plantar fascitis: Has it always been with you, or it is something that has happened after you got bit? my 10 yr old son has lots of problems with one of his ankles now, because his foot turned and his ankle bent a little. But he was completely normal for 9 years and this foot issue happend after he was bit.

So I am curious to know what your experience has been with this. Thank you!
Posted 3/16/2015 10:10 PM (GMT -5)
Dave, I've had all the muscle symptoms you mentioned.

Unfortunately I have to many possibilities for the causes though.

It could have been all from a tick bite or- from sports injuries also, or from sports while having low thyroid, or all of the above.

It all started with me 25yrs ago, hard to remember. I did doxy for about 12 months last year, my neck got better after my long herxing. I thought my feet were a little better, but now the plantar tendon gets sore again. I have some orthodics, medium density are the best. The hard ones are terrible. The anxiety almost diminished and went 180 into tiredness after ABX. At least my brain isnt going to launch anytime soon now LOL.

Every day I roll on a foam roller and lacross ball to get the circulation going in my muscles. I have to.

I had pencil wide streaks on my arm in the past.
Posted 3/16/2015 10:37 PM (GMT -5)
Pains in the bottom of the feet upon rising. Dull prolonged pains in bones - like in shins. Sudden rages or verbal agression. Skin issues that will not heal. Long blood colored stretch marks usually along thighs or hips. Eye issues - conjunctivitis that will not go away. Lumps on legs that are sore. Some say that Lyme is the co infection of Bartonella. (Not the other way araound). There are like 32 species. Cats and fleas are a big culprit.
Posted 3/17/2015 11:26 AM (GMT -5)

Simela1 said...
Yup, I think you are dealing with ugly bartonella.

I have a question for you, Dave: about plantar fascitis: Has it always been with you, or it is something that has happened after you got bit? my 10 yr old son has lots of problems with one of his ankles now, because his foot turned and his ankle bent a little. But he was completely normal for 9 years and this foot issue happend after he was bit.

So I am curious to know what your experience has been with this. Thank you!

Simela, it has not always been with me, I have had some foot pain here and there, particularly when running or playing sports for the last several years, but within the last 1.5 years it definitely got worse.  I was diagnosed with PF by my Podiatrist as I have a very high arch and tight calf muscles etc.  It went away after 4-6 months but came back with burning feet and the bottoms of my feet were much more painful.  I roll my foot on a golfball and stretch it but nothing helps that much.  Could it be a combo of my biomechanics and Bart?  Possibly.  I have a misaligned hip which I am working on like hell to get realigned.

Astroman- I have sports related injuries as well.  I wish like ANYTHING that I didn't have these injuries because then I could know for sure if it was definitely the Lyme/Bart or a combination of infection/injuries.

Question for the group: do you find that those who have previous injuries are much worse with Lyme or any co-infections or does it not really affect your injuries that much?

Posted 3/17/2015 11:31 AM (GMT -5)
Good question. I researched a while ago.

Lyme cysts form and hang onto injured areas since its more "grippy" with fibrin there. You can goggle this and see.

Its like a party house for them.
Posted 3/17/2015 12:06 PM (GMT -5)
Yes, old injuries get worse with this disease. For me it's my knees and my tailbone.
Posted 3/17/2015 12:46 PM (GMT -5)
How about injuries that were recent (within the last year) and never healed properly or should i say haven't healed properly yet, due to possible Lyme and co-infection. Do you think it's possible? My example is my left shoulderm, I had surgery on it, 8 months of rehab, discharged, started back to the gym, and even increasing the weights slightly strained it and took a month to heal. Now it's so weak and inflammed I can't do much with it.
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