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Posted 6/15/2015 2:04 PM (GMT -5)
Hi,
I have been able to read lots of post on Hansa center but nothing recent. Like in the past year or so. I am ready to reserve a place in their clinic but would be grateful for any additional input. Also if you are currently still well from a past trip. Thank you in advance.
Posted 6/15/2015 3:07 PM (GMT -5)
I've heard good things about Dr. J., if he's still there. If he's no longer there, I wouldn't go. I would find out where he is instead.

Our member, "HeathersDad" swears by him.

You could try contacting him.

Otherwise, I would wait for other responses, or see someone else.

Margaret
Posted 6/15/2015 4:09 PM (GMT -5)
hi-- I went there this January and back for a follow up in May. When I went there I was so sick. I was on 9 months of abx and had so many symptoms. After going there and being on the protocol I am so much better. I still have some healing to do. Healing takes time! But the improvements are very significant. I would recommend it very much. It is like no other place and very amazing. I hope to continue on this great healing path and remain better. I am so glad I went there.

For lyme they like people to go for an initial 2 weeks. You can then stop there, or do one or two or more follow ups. They recommend ideally two follow ups. I plan to go back for my second follow up in September. Yes, it is expensive. But the results so far seem to be very strong.
I also now know many others who go there who have also had significant improvement in their health.

It has only been 4 months or so since I first started there, after being sic for over a year and a half. I am still on the protocol. So I don't know what the future will bring- I hope to remain well of course. I literally noticed great improvement within the first two weeks. And it has continued to improve.

They also taught me a different way to view my health which is very empowering.

Post Edited (Katebirch) : 6/15/2015 3:14:16 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/15/2015 5:02 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you katebirch....that does sound like you have made great progress. I am dealing w lymes, 3 co infections, west nile and mono. In addition to all of that I have suffered w panic disorder with depression and agoraphobia for 23 years and it has gotten worse since contracting the west Nile last summer. I want to go to Hansa center next month but I am worried about biting off more than I can chew. Because we have been planning our wedding in Florida for many months and that is coming up in sept. With that being said....I am sick now; don't know if I would be more sick after going or if maybe i could feel better??!! Hope that makes sense. I'm on the fence w this.
Posted 6/15/2015 5:15 PM (GMT -5)
well, they are booking 4 months out! I would say call and talk to the new patient coordinator. I think--- you can book now and only pay the deposit 6 weeks before your visit- so that gives you the appointment held but you can still back out. I would say if you have the money to go- go. I believe they help so many people even in very dire conditions. They may not get you 100% in two weeks but they will start you going in a much better place than you are now. I cannot guarantee your success- but for health, in my opinion, it is a worthwhile risk. I know it is a lot of unknown but that's just how it is.

You can talk to their patient coordinator for free and she can answer many questions- though of course they cannot give medical advice if you are not a patient. but she can answer about the process and other things.

I would say go for it.

In my experience most people feel better, not worse, after the first visit. they are not big on herxes at hansa and do all they can to minimize them!
everyone's condition is very different and Hansa deals with whole body healing. I think if you go you will be very glad you did.
Posted 6/15/2015 5:58 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Grams67 and welcome!

So sorry to hear that you have been sick for many years. I became healed using Dr. Jernigan's protocol from his book, I didn't go to the Hansa Center but know many who have.

I always suggest learning about what the Hansa Center does so one is prepared for their treatments, their way of thinking, etc. I also suggest buying Dr. Jernigan's book called "Beating Lyme" and watching video's from the doctors at Hansa.

www.hansacenter.com

Below are some lectures:

hansacenter.com/category/lectures/

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8_dyHJWR7U

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=te31vhOBXx0

After a person leaves Hansa they are supposed to continue the detoxing processes, eat as healthy as they can, and continue taking the botanicals the doctors feel you need.

The first 2 weeks are like a jump start to help you start healing and sometimes it can take a year or more to completely heal.

I don't know if this helps or not.

Wishing you the best,
Denise
Posted 6/15/2015 9:02 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Grams67,

Yes my daughter was there for 2 weeks in early 2010. She has been well since that time. She had a bout with mold this past fall, but quickly healed with a shorter return trip to Hansa in December.

She went from being very sick for 6 years and not being able to walk, to earning a college swimming scholarship at a D1 university. She is faster than about 98% of her college peers in her events. Her future is bright.

We're very satisfied that we made the right decision in taking her to the Hansa Center. We feel that the easiest part is killing the bugs. Prior to Hansa, when we killed the bugs, we hoped that her body would recover on its own with lots of detox, healthy living, and supplements that bolster the immune system. We discovered that wishful thinking doesn't always pan out. We were forced to take her to a place where they treat the patient and not the bugs.

While the doctors don't have the ability to heal everyone, they do have the ability to heal a lot of people that have tried everything else. My observation is that most of the people that go there are glad that they did.

I wish you the best in whatever direction that you take. Please keep us posted.

Don
Posted 3/11/2016 9:23 AM (GMT -5)
Hi new to this site,Planning on taking my daughter to Hansa next month, i am having second thoughts. Thinking about Klinghatdt, or a Lyme and cancer clinic in Germany.
A lot of what Hansa does, sauna, biomat, herbs, foot baths, nutritional IV, ozone iv, uv light iv. she has already done with no success. Im not sure if she may still need some antibiotics as well as. I am opposed to nothing I don't care what it is as long if it helps! would love to hear other stories, problems etc. The only people posting positive results are Heathersdad and Deejavu. I am thrilled for them but they are the only ones posting on several threads. Would love some other feedback good or bad. Thanks
Posted 3/11/2016 10:33 AM (GMT -5)
Welcome lymmom1!

So sorry for the reason you're here but glad you found us. Dealing with Lyme is bad enough but to have a child dealing with it must be very difficult. ((hugs))

For as long as I've been here, the only members who have used the Hansa Center are the ones who posted on this thread.

Has your daughter ever had LDI Therapy?
Posted 3/11/2016 11:20 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Lymmom!
Welcome to our community! I'm so glad you found us.

If you haven't ​yet​, it would be helpful for you to start with reading through the thread at the top of the forum titled,"New to Lyme?...Start here!!", as it is packed full of important information, symptom lists, helpful links and pdf's, how to detox when one has these infections, information on probiotics and much more. And this is another good list of possible detoxing routines: www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html Detoxing for us is an incredibly important part of our healing.

If your daughter has already had the therapies that are offered in one clinic and has had no improvements, I would actually encourage you to try some other things. Although I have nothing against Hansa, and think it's a great place that has helped many people, we all need a treatment that is completely unique to us and our situation. There are many more modalities that can be tried, from BVT (Bee Venom Therapy), Rife, and herbs, to abx and herbal combinations and more.

Let us know if we can help you find information or answer any questions!
Posted 3/11/2016 12:12 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks for all the input so far. We are sadly not new to Lyme. my daughter has been sick 16 of her 21 years. started with port and IV rocephin for 9 months, and many other abx for co infections, on and off as she would improve and regress. had good success with a klinghardt/Horowitz trained ND, but sadly she passed away. She has been doing Shoemakers protocol for over 2 years had a few missteps as was being accidentally exposed. spent the last 6 months virtually isolated to give the protocol her full attention and inflammatory markers still high with NO improvement. Besides the CSM no other detoxing I feel huge mistake. My daughter is at a point of being some what hopeless. Our trip to Hansa is just one more thing to try, she is cautiously optimistic. I also know they put a lot of faith in God, my daughter is spiritual but will be totally turned off if they are shoving God down her throat. I pray all the time and rely on God or whoever to help guide my decisions. I have watched a bunch of his videos and even had a phone consult with Dr. Jernigan expressing my concerns. I feel positive about going I am just absolutely terrified what will happen to my girl if it doesn't help. She can not handle more disappointment. There really are not many of you that have gone or done the home protocol. I have found a few that have had horrible experiences, not many thank god, but bad enough to make me question our decision.
Posted 3/11/2016 1:07 PM (GMT -5)
lymmom1 - I'm so sorry your daughter has been sick for so long and treatment hasn't brought her into remission.

You mentioned only CSM and no other detoxing. I suggest that she starts detoxing...daily...start with a few methods..and every few days...add in another one. You don't want to start several all at once...she needs to add them in slowly.
Many of our symptoms are driven from 'dead bacteria' from treatment - circulating in our body...causing inflammation.
Here is a link to a website with many detox ideas:

www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html
Posted 3/11/2016 1:24 PM (GMT -5)
Which home protocol are you referring to? Jernigans? If not, there are actually quite a few of us doing home protocols.

And I agree completely with Girlie about the detoxing. Not knowing to detoxing could have been what derailed my abx treatment years ago. I got so ill that I started having seizures and other serious neuro issues. Detoxing is a major part of our healing.

Maybe your daughter could join a support group to help her deal with this? Life with these infections is hard. I was infected at age 7, diagnosed at 44 and found my healing a 47 - but I've been reinfected so I'm back in treatment now. She and I are far from alone in having these infections for such a long time though. Maybe if she connected with some others that have had very long standing infections, it would be helpful?
Posted 3/14/2016 1:05 AM (GMT -5)
I have also had good results with the Hansa Center. I have only had one 2 week visit and overall improved significantly. Treatment there is the only treatment to ever touch my insomnia I've had since I was born.

One huge thing I want to mention is that you shouldn't expect to be cured in two weeks. There are some people who do just get those amazing great results in two weeks and never have to go back. Don't expect to be one of those people because the center does do a great job of selling themselves.

My first day at the center my dr. told me I may see no results in two weeks. He said most people at most experience a 10% change on visit one, because it takes time to repair damage.
If you have been sick a long time expect to need treatment longer than someone who made it to the center close to first infection(my own reserved reading other people's experience).

My dr. Told me to expect to come 2-3 times and healing takes 9-12 months on average.
Remember average is the combination of longer and shorter, some people will be healed in 6mnths and others in 15.

When I was at the center I became friends with a woman who had left the mayo clinic because they wanted to fast track kidney transplant and do some work on her liver. Since coming to Hansa (I met her on her second visit) her kidney failure has begun to reverse and she has needed dialysis since her first HC visit.
She also found out her primary issue wasn't Lyme but parasites.
(Just a story that I thought was interesting, very different from the average Lyme story with a standard LLmd)

There are several other clinics I've heard great things about, don't make a hasty decision on your health. The Hansa center has some great YouTube videos, so does Sponogoule. When I was searching for an LLMD I also called a clinic in AZ that I liked, but they require most patients to stay a month and I couldn't do that. I believe it was new life medical center, I called them and they did a great job of answering all of my questions.

Hope this helps!!
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