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Posted 4/1/2016 6:15 PM (GMT -5)
I've been taking the CSA (crypto, sida, alchornea) Tincture from Woodland Essence. I just about finished the bottle. Before that I was taking Crypto and Sida separately. I had no worsening or improvement from symptoms while taking it. Does everyone who has babs get a major reaction from these herbs?

Post Edited (k07) : 4/1/2016 6:03:57 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/1/2016 7:15 PM (GMT -5)
Hummmmmm??? no idea but I read that babs infects red blood cells. Red blood cells have a life of about 70 days. Did you go that long, plus the 70 days?
Posted 4/1/2016 7:50 PM (GMT -5)
That is a hmmmm experience, k07....do you usually herx? Not everyone does.

How long in total did you take the CSA....as well as the Crypto and Sida?

Perhaps you might want to trial Bidens which is also part of Buhner's Babesia protocol. This would help rule out a strain that might not respond to CSA...

I know Buhner lists just 30 days (and longer if necessary) for Babesia treatment. I also know that many LLMD's treat for one month past the life of red blood cells which means 5 months total treatment time. (sorry PeteZa...my research shows 120 days as the life of a red blood cell..)
Posted 4/1/2016 8:25 PM (GMT -5)
k07 not everyone reacts to herbs. i've been on a ton of them and have had very little reaction. i also don't herx much except in extreme circumstances. everyone is different. if i may try upping your dose and/or adding more to the mix.

for example go with the full buhner babesia protocol from his latest book. then if that isn't working up the doses to his recommended high range. for example with Cryptolepis buy it separately and go to 1/2 tsp 3x/day for a while. that would up your probability that either your bug load is really low or you aren't fighting babs.
Posted 4/2/2016 10:17 AM (GMT -5)
cd, no need to be sorry, you are absolutely correct. I read mine and it is the life of a FETAL red blood cell. OOps!
Posted 4/2/2016 10:37 AM (GMT -5)
I was doing crypto alone for about a month. I jumped right into a full dropper which is about 30 drops because I was pretty sure I didn't have babs. I think I would have got some kind of reaction with that dose. I only did it twice a day though. After the crypto was gone I switched over to CSA. I've recently started 3x a day.

I am still trying to figure things out. I really screwed up when I first started due to my lack of patience. I'm trying to be better about that and give things more time so that I can evaluate their effectiveness or not.
Posted 4/2/2016 10:47 AM (GMT -5)
k07 the whole lyme thing is a learning process. I think when we are all done we all end up with medical degrees of a sort.
Posted 4/2/2016 1:24 PM (GMT -5)
k07 for example the full bartonella protocol is 9 different herbs all doing something different that work synergistically with each other. taking one herb and not getting a reaction shouldn't be the end of the experiment so to speak. go full board with a full protocol and start low with all of them and work up. if you get no reaction on higher doses of all of them it doesn't rule out you have the particular infection but it sure upps the odds you don't.
Posted 4/2/2016 1:34 PM (GMT -5)
I was going by the old Babesia protocol of CSA. I don't have the new book, but I thought that it would be effective. I am also doing the old Lyme protocol with a few of the new herbs. I'm trying to hit all areas.
Posted 4/2/2016 5:33 PM (GMT -5)
I understand your motivation k07 and I know you're like the rest of us - you don't ever want to revisit these infections again.

I believe it was in BetterHealthGuy's Buhner interview that I read Buhner state that he decided that his protocols needed to be more expanded to address the evolution of these infections.

That said, there are more strains of Babesia (and Bartonella) than tests available. Resistance has already been identified with several Babesia strains. You won't know if you are dealing with a resistant strain until you've tried all the herbs in the recommended protocols.

We all know healthy people are walking around with asymptomatic Babesia infections:

www.cdc.gov/parasites/babesiosis/

"Although many people who are infected with Babesia do not have symptoms, for those who do effective treatment is available."

I'm inclined to agree with Rikky1's approach.
Posted 4/2/2016 6:32 PM (GMT -5)
If you guys don't mind my putting the opposite on this thread (hope not!), what do you feel then when the reverse is true? Knocked on my butt from one drop of CSA herbs (I am doing the 3 herbs separately, alchornea hit hard) - I can't imagine expanding the protocol in my case, at this point in time. May have to way down the line, but every antimicrobial old protocol Buhner herb I am adding is hitting like a freight train...in different ways, in different areas (houttuynia was powerful, too). I am totally functioning, but man I feel it. I have all 3 Buhner books about 6 feet away from me, but I decided as a newbie to stick with the "old" core protocols until my body can get comfortable with them. What do you old timers think? I know the expanded protocols aren't all about antimicrobials - but I feel like my body is saying, "wait, wait, WAIT a minute!!"
Posted 4/2/2016 8:40 PM (GMT -5)

ursamajor68 said...
I know the expanded protocols aren't all about antimicrobials - but I feel like my body is saying, "wait, wait, WAIT a minute!!"

And, that is exactly the difference between the older protocols and the expanded protocols.

The expanded protocols include more things for collagen support, cytokine remodulation, immune remodulation and symptom relief.

I started the support stuff before the killing stuff in the thought that I was starting the healing process and preparing my body for battle. And, yes, I upped my detoxing ;)
Posted 5/7/2017 12:25 PM (GMT -5)
Be careful with this stuff. I gave it to my daughter who has allergies to pollen. We had to take her to the hospital because she had a serious reaction to it. Very scary.
Posted 5/7/2017 12:53 PM (GMT -5)
I recently had to stop CSA - will resume in a couple weeks. It gave me neuro-posycho and endocrine herxing that was intolerable. I like the concept of a more comprehensive Buhner protocol. I cannot imagine adding anything more into my daily routine but will look into that.

-p
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