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Posted 5/4/2016 12:51 PM (GMT -5)
Hello! Can anyone relate to taking these drops? I'm new to Healing Well and my son doesn't do well on these. Is there a way to take them with out getting so mentally affected. we are on 4 drops twice a day. Yesterday was bad. Help me thanks!!!!

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Posted 5/4/2016 1:02 PM (GMT -5)
Hi FAITH01!

Welcome - glad you found us. Our awesome moderators will be along soon to give you the official welcome and share important information.

I was taking a different herbal tincture for bart but I am now taking an antibiotic for bart. The bart herbs were very powerful - will re-incorporate them at a later date.

I am curious if your son has had any relief of symptoms on the Mc Bar 1. If the psycho-neuro disturbances are too much to manage, try lowering the dose a little bit and increasing his detox. Bart is notorious for psycho-neuro herxes, which are VERY difficult. Once the symptoms reduce a bit, then slowly add one more drop per day until he can work up to the optimal dose.

What detoxing is he doing?

-p
Posted 5/4/2016 1:06 PM (GMT -5)
faith01 are you opposed to antibiotics? a common protocol for bartonella is rifampin combined with another abx like doxycycline or zithromax.

i tried A-BART for a while it didn't do much for me then again everyone is different.

maybe reduce the # of drops for a time to see if its more manageable for your son and if so and he improves go up from there?

its possible there also could be something in the tincture that your son is having an adverse reaction to. i've had a few of those and it wasn't from the bugs.
Posted 5/4/2016 1:08 PM (GMT -5)
Hi FAITH01 - welcome to our community!

I took the bold font off your post...as it is difficult to read an entire post of bold - especially for some of us who have 'lyme' brains...
We save the bold font for certain statements that need to stand out from the rest of the post.

Hope you understand. :-)

Did you start on a lower dose to begin with...and if so , how was he then? Your son is herxing.

I suggest you back off on the dose - maybe go to 1 drop twice a day...and stay there...see how he's handling it...and then after several days...up one of the doses to 2 drops...and leave the second one at 1 drop....if handling it....after several days...add another drop to the second dose...etc.

At any time he herxes...then you can drop back to the previous dose...and stay for a few weeks...then try upping by one drop again.

Also, he needs to detox - multiple methods every day. But, have him start on one or two detox methods...and every few days...add in another one.

Some easy methods of detox:
- drink lots of water each day - 8 glasses or more
- add fresh lemon juice into some of the glasses (drink with a straw to help avoid the lemon damaging tooth enamel
- have warm epsom salt baths
- dry brushing the skin prior to the baths
- take a liver support - such as Milk Thistle Extract

Oh...and is he on probiotics? That is necessary - for the gut health.


Here is a link to a website with more detoxing methods:



www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html
Posted 5/4/2016 1:12 PM (GMT -5)
We suggest that all new members take a look at the thread at the top of the page titled: 'New to Lyme?..Start Here!" Lots of good information packed into that thread.
Posted 5/4/2016 1:24 PM (GMT -5)
What are the ingredients in the formula he's taking?
Posted 5/4/2016 1:36 PM (GMT -5)
My son takes MC-Bar-1, along with MC-BB-1, MC-PZ, and MC-Bab-1. They have helped him tremendously. Die-off was rough for a while. Since he is just a little guy, I ramped up his dose very slowly. I started out with 1/2 drop twice per day and only increased when his herxing decreased, which was maybe once a week or so. The other thing that helped a lot was taking Cognease Detox, which is also from Beyond Balance. This really helped with his neuro herx symptoms, which are really common with Bart. The Cognease Detox really decreased his rages.
Posted 5/4/2016 1:46 PM (GMT -5)
I was just going to chime in and say the same thing as Nosila.

Beyond Balance has some great detox drops. I love Tox Ease GL so if the Cognease doesn't help there are others to try.
Posted 5/4/2016 2:02 PM (GMT -5)
PeteZa, what symptoms did the Tox Ease GL help you most with? The Cognease Detox helped me with brain fog and nerve pain, and it helped my son with rages. I suspect that the different detox formulas have different functions, but I don't know what they are!
Posted 5/4/2016 2:53 PM (GMT -5)
That is so hard for me to say because along with taking MC-BB-1 and Tox Ease GL I also was doing so many other detox methods. And to even further complicate it, I then started on Buhner's protocol. I now do Tox Ease GL and MCBB-2 and about 9 Buhner herbs. But, it got me where I am today and I am a bookkeeper for a fire district and don't have to run figures 3 times any more! I finally trust my brain.
Posted 5/4/2016 9:13 PM (GMT -5)
thank you all for your responses. Idk what he is taking for detox. We are working with a holistic psychiatrist.. my son was mis diagnosed with a mental illness before finding out the truth.  He was on meds and was hospitalized twice. He takes some soluna products for drainage, #4 cognitive, #8, 9, and 18. Quintessence to treat infection as well as propolis tincture.

He is only on 8 mg of Stelazine and old anti psychotic. Was able to get off the rest. Started the mc bar 1 slowly. He couldn't tolerate A Bart, so trying Mc Bar 1. He is taking a great probiotic, called megasporbiotic.  in case of reaction he takes Glutathione, 1 tsp and SyDetox, lemon water, ebsom salt bath and infrared sauna (however he gets scared and uncomfortable. He also has suspected parasites, and doing a therapeutic trial of antiparasitic meds, Colon program, Paromomycin and Praziquantel. These also make him have mental symptoms. At Dr G's office he does IV hydrogen peroxide and IV Vit C, as well as neural therapy. He was doing well however treatment is so costly we stopped IV for about 6 weeks and he had a setback. I am going to have my energetic practioner muscle test the McBar 1 and see what ingredient his body doesn't like. He can't work or go to school. thanks for listening and all the advice

FAITH


Posted 5/4/2016 9:16 PM (GMT -5)
BTW - we did try antibiotics when he first was diagnosed with Lyme and Co's however they put him in Psychosis every day. thanks


Posted 5/4/2016 9:27 PM (GMT -5)
I agree with what others have said about reducing the number of drops a bit and go from there.

I am also on Bar-1 and I can relate - increasing these drops is awful. Another way of increasing them is to rub the drop into his skin. This seems to be easier on the body then ingesting them. I rotate where I rub the drop in like the foot, the wrist, whatever area is bothering me that day. I also really ease into it when I try to increase by taking one drop every 3rd day and then every 2nd day and then every day. It takes a lot longer, but it is definitely easier to do.
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