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Posted 10/6/2016 7:49 PM (GMT -5)
I paused Buhner for a week or so during travel, and now that I am back I noticed the past two days more fatigued in the afternoon, matching me turning herbs back on.

Anyone else get fatigued on Buhner?

my current intake consists of:

ashwagandha, eleuthero, licorice, Banderol, cat's claw (uncaria tormentosa), uncaria rynchophylla, Cordyceps, and Cryptolepis

Caramba
Posted 10/6/2016 7:56 PM (GMT -5)
Caramba,

Sorry you are tired but happy you traveled. It sounds like whenever people stop detoxing/taking herbs/supplements they backtrack a bit. I guess just get back on. The eleuthero should help. Spirulina Manna in a smoothie is great for energy as is Rishi Matcha supergreen tea. Feel better.
Posted 10/6/2016 9:07 PM (GMT -5)
I get extreme fatigue an drowsiness from Buhner protocol. The Euleothero does not help.
I take Euleothero, Cats Claw, Japanese Knotweed, Uncaria Rynchiphylla and Andrographis.
The reason I know is the Buhner protocol is that all that heaviness goes away at night...I have a 9 hr gap of protocol without herbs....when I get up in the am I have a cup of coffee....but about 90 min after the 1st round of herb protocol I get that fatigue.

Unfortunately it is the same fatigue of the lyme so I never know if it is really lyme or herx from herbs.
Posted 10/7/2016 9:16 AM (GMT -5)
Here you go.....45 min after taking first Buhner dosage of the day took Eulethero, Uncaria Rhynchiphylla and Japanese Knotweed first than....Andrographis and Cats Claw 20 min later....

my head begins to be dizzy and heaviness in eyes (drowsy).....I was feeling fairly good this am....
Posted 10/7/2016 1:34 PM (GMT -5)
@artermix- are you taking japanese knotweed root powder? when i got past 1tsp 3x a day i started getting really fatigued (he recommends 1 TABLE spoon 3x a day to work towards)...through my own experimenting i found the JK to be the culprit....no one else on the board seemed to have the same reaction...now i take 1/2 tsp in morning, and 2 1 tsp servings in later afternoon and at night- try skipping a morn dose of jk (if its root powder) and see if that is the culprit
Posted 10/7/2016 4:20 PM (GMT -5)
Buhner herbs, some at least, may* be slightly goitrogenic, meaning they can lower thyroid function. It depends on the person.

Personally, I don't like herxing for more than a few days - nor do I think herxes should last any longer than that. There is always the chance that a herx is actually an ADR (adverse drug reaction). There are other options, so maybe other herbs will have an opposite effect and give you more energy.

Also, some of those herbs increase TH1 cells, which is fine unless you are already low on TH2 cells. It could simply be that you need to balance these out with TH2 boosting herbs.

Ashwagandha may* make you tired (people actually take this before bed)
Eleuthero and licorice may* be too stimulating - maybe your cortisol is extremely low, in which case these herbs start acting more like uppers. Same with coffee (though I love coffee for its liver detox effects and the buzz)
Banderol, cryptoleptis and cat's claw should be fine - Cat's claw is slightly goitrogenic but what isn't?
Posted 10/7/2016 7:19 PM (GMT -5)
dbwilco....yes I am taking JK I am actually at a pretty high dose....of all of them and really close to Buhner suggest dose...I am at 1/2 tsp today for all of them except Andrographis (which I am taking liquid). I notice that i am not feeling well when I am on these herbs but I do well after the night is over. Although I need to be on the herbs and I still cannot figure out if these are side effects of the herbs or herx. The new thing is my hot flashes ....so I am thinking about what itsnotjustlyme as said....perhaps I could have a intolerance.????
On the other hand I just feel that perhaps I should suck it up and continue the treatment increasing dosage this manner.
I really....REALLY want to avoid anything that makes me drowsy or sleepy..or dizzy ...today definitely to was an issue...as my main problem is fatigue. This is probably why I felt so good when I was just doing only Eulethero in June...

Right now I am thinking to skip the 3rd dose of Buhner today ...because I feel so out of it. I will do a 4th dose before bed.
Posted 10/7/2016 7:24 PM (GMT -5)
Hmmm....I did notice that when I stopped a couple of buhner herbs and restarted, I did get more fatigued. But more than that, amino acids are knocking me out.
Posted 10/7/2016 7:29 PM (GMT -5)
yes...I wonder when I am going to feel ok ...as in somewhat functional.
Posted 10/10/2016 2:30 PM (GMT -5)
I tend to get fatigued when I start a new herb. I herx then it improves. So far, it's been super consistent among each one... some more intense than others but the same instant herx lessening every day and when I reach a consistency for a couple days I add another.

Currently on Cordyceps,Red Root,Jap. Knotweed,Sida Acuta,Chinese Skullcap,Greater Celendine with the GC only being a few drops as I just added it this past weekend.

I was very fatigued when i started 3 weeks ago, but currently this past weekend I actually had energy to do chores, take the dogs to the vet and go to a party all in one day.... that never happens. I usually cry "too many things" and would have not gone to the party... so even though I am on mini doses of each herb listed, I feel improvement in fatigue...
Posted 10/10/2016 4:30 PM (GMT -5)
Yes - I get fatigued on Buhner suggested herbs.
Posted 10/10/2016 4:34 PM (GMT -5)
thanks itsnotjustlyme,artemix!

I went back and resumed one per day, and none of these made me fatigued:

eleuthero, ashwaghanda, Licorice, banderal, and ryncho..
that leaves me with Houttoynia, and Cryptolepsis. I'll add those two one at time over the next two days
Posted 10/10/2016 6:44 PM (GMT -5)
Yes I do experience mild fatigue in the afternoon whilst on his protocol. I always thought it was from fighting the infection.
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