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Posted 12/2/2016 9:06 PM (GMT -5)
I'm adding more detox now that I've been consistent for a long time.

So my body can keep up with all that's going on. Skin is largest detox organ. And bath's help release toxins through skin.

1) Detox Magnesium Bath's

Respiratory System is one of biggest way to take out toxins; and increase energy oxygenation to kill bacteria.

2) Breathing Excercises

Herbals Remedies

3) Herbals for detox.






Doing Bath's To Detox Body - Skin Is Largest Detox Organ - With Magnesium Sulfate

Post Edited (lymedriven) : 12/3/2016 11:02:18 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/2/2016 9:15 PM (GMT -5)
Good job! I didn't think about breathing exercises as a way of detoxing. Great share!
Posted 12/2/2016 9:23 PM (GMT -5)
I've never heard of bathing with magnesium sulfate. What is the form that it comes in?

Wonder what kind of breathing exercises can be done when you have end stage copd. I do pursed lip exhaling frequently to remove carbon dioxide from my lungs.
Posted 12/2/2016 9:38 PM (GMT -5)
Magnesium sulphate is Epsom salts
Posted 12/2/2016 9:49 PM (GMT -5)
Lyme driven,

Thanks for the breathing tips. I like that. Meditation is similar in that it deepens your breath.

Keep up the detoxing!
Posted 12/3/2016 12:06 AM (GMT -5)
when I did mbot which is just one huge mega breathing exercise, it did make me feel better, refreshed, and increase of energy.

So I don't know if breathing is necessarily a "detox" method, as in it actually helps detox directly, however increased oxygen level to cells and in the blood does make you feel better. When ever you give your cells additional positive "fuel" you will feel better.

Exercise is good as well because you sweat (which is detoxing) and you take in more oxygen from heavier breathing.
Posted 12/3/2016 12:19 AM (GMT -5)
lymedriven: deep breathing is not a detox method. IT might calm your nerves but it doesn't actually "detox" anything.
And are you sure houttuynia is used for detoxing? When I used it and when most people use it, it's for killing the bacteria (usually Bartonella). It won't actually detox the toxins from these co-infections, just kill them.
Posted 12/3/2016 2:56 AM (GMT -5)
Lymedriven - you should add in some more detox methods (if what you posted is all you're doing)

some suggestions:

- A binder
- alka seltzer gold
- pinella and burbur
- dry brushing your skin prior to the baths
- light exercise

Are you taking something to support your liver?
...and probiotics?
Posted 12/3/2016 9:02 AM (GMT -5)
I would agree with those that are saying you need to increase your detoxing more, Lymedriven. While what you are doing may be a good start, that's all it is - a start - particularly if you are herxing. That's when binders are very helpful.

And to be sure it's clarified - you don't mean that the Chronic Tonic and Houttuynia are for detoxing, but are part of your treatments, right?
Posted 12/3/2016 9:12 AM (GMT -5)
I add baking soda to my bath along with the Epson salt. I also did a lot of juicing when I was trying to detox. It is important to get a lot of vitamins and minerals in your body so your body can do the job. When you juice you can get more vitamins and minerals in your body. I was also taking 3 grams of vitamin C every day. Make sure you have your vitamins D level checked. Most people are deficient in vitamin D. I know I was and it took me 5000 IU a day to get my level up.
Posted 12/3/2016 10:26 AM (GMT -5)
Mt doc told me the biggest detoxer is your liver. That is the only thing that removes mold / lyme toxins.

Is she wrong?

Also she says many detox programs such as sweating will actually cause a percentage build up of toxins as your body dehydrates.

This is all so confusing.
Posted 12/3/2016 10:40 AM (GMT -5)
If we are careful to stay hydrated, then exercise (as tolerated) is good - otherwise your doc would be correct.

As for the liver being the only organ to move toxins, she's wrong. The kidney's move toxins as well as the skin, lymph system and more. Very, very few MD's and even alternative medicine doctors know as much about detoxing as a long term Lyme patient - seriously!!

I was using a TCM/Master Western Herbalist for my first healing, and she only understood about half of the detoxing routines I was using. I don't fault them, they just don't know - so as long as they are willing to learn and not just spout out what they learned 'in school', then I don't mind guiding them to sites/information that will teach them more.

I've had doctors tell me I'll harm my body by trying to help it detox (this one blew me away - I had no words! ), as well as something similar to what you were told. We have to remember that we are not doing a special cleanse like most people would think about, we are removing very specific toxins that have been proven to be produced when the Lyme bacteria and Candida die off (Bartonella is suspected, but has not been proven as far as I have found). This is not what most people think of when they are asked about detoxing.

Here are a few articles that I have marked to help explain this. I hope you find them helpful:

www.benbrew.com/lb/lyme5.pdf


www.healthyandnaturalworld.com/6-ways-your-body-detoxifies-itself/


drjessechappus.com/8-natural-ways-to-help-your-body-detoxify/#
Posted 12/3/2016 11:43 AM (GMT -5)
Good article explaining detoxification. Are you aware that if you have root canal teeth in your mouth that could be the source of toxins. Dr. Andrew Landerman has developed a method of checking for this. Here is an article which explains it.

http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/Articles/2013/June/Lyme-disease-often-resides-in-the-mouth.aspx
Posted 12/3/2016 1:18 PM (GMT -5)

eat2bwell said...
Good article explaining detoxification. Are you aware that if you have root canal teeth in your mouth that could be the source of toxins. Dr. Andrew Landerman has developed a method of checking for this. Here is an article which explains it.

http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/Articles/2013/June/Lyme-disease-often-resides-in-the-mouth.aspx

Yes, that has been discussed here on the forum. Magoo talks a lot about root canals - and seeing a Biological Dentist.

Here's one thread discussing that topic:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3628145
Posted 12/4/2016 10:48 AM (GMT -5)

Traveler said...
If we are careful to stay hydrated, then exercise (as tolerated) is good - otherwise your doc would be correct.

As for the liver being the only organ to move toxins, she's wrong. The kidney's move toxins as well as the skin, lymph system and more. Very, very few MD's and even alternative medicine doctors know as much about detoxing as a long term Lyme patient - seriously!!

I was using a TCM/Master Western Herbalist for my first healing, and she only understood about half of the detoxing routines I was using. I don't fault them, they just don't know - so as long as they are willing to learn and not just spout out what they learned 'in school', then I don't mind guiding them to sites/information that will teach them more.

I've had doctors tell me I'll harm my body by trying to help it detox (this one blew me away - I had no words! ), as well as something similar to what you were told. We have to remember that we are not doing a special cleanse like most people would think about, we are removing very specific toxins that have been proven to be produced when the Lyme bacteria and Candida die off (Bartonella is suspected, but has not been proven as far as I have found). This is not what most people think of when they are asked about detoxing.

Here are a few articles that I have marked to help explain this. I hope you find them helpful:

www.benbrew.com/lb/lyme5.pdf


www.healthyandnaturalworld.com/6-ways-your-body-detoxifies-itself/


drjessechappus.com/8-natural-ways-to-help-your-body-detoxify/#

I enjoyed the articles unfortunately they are written or compiled by people with zero medical experience in the field. Two are chiropractors, one is selling his scanning device the third is just someone who wrote an article. While they do claim the liver and kidneys detox the body which is common knowledge there is no evidence any other method works. Sweating is a temperature regulator and probably one of the more dangerous activities because it directly effects the detoxing ability of the liver, gut and kidneys.

Dangerous stuff here.
Posted 12/4/2016 11:35 AM (GMT -5)
I'm not so sure you can say they don't have medical experience. Just because they are chiro's doesn't mean they don't know anything about the body and how it works.

The one selling things, is no different than the many articles that get shared and followed that also sell something. It's a business, and ALL doctors, no matter what their specialty sell SOMETHING. Even if it's just to have you come back to their office for another visit.

And I know that sweating works as a detox method, as not only have I used it regularly and felt less toxic, but many others do too. Just how dangerous it would be is dependent on the health of the individual. Once my stamina is built back up from Lyme and severe adrenal issues, I intend on getting back to heavy, sweat inducing exercise again, simply because it really makes a difference for me - as long as I'm not constantly battling serious adrenal issues.

But, I don't try to insist that anyone believe me, I only hope they do the research on their own, and do be sure to make it an extensive search, as there is a lot of misinformation out there and watch who you get your information from - you need to read the actual articles, not someone else's opinion of the article, and someone that actually knows the subject more than what was taught in medical school.

Now, because it's hard to understand some things online - I want to be extremely clear here - that last statement was NOT aimed at Navigator. As with ALL things on ANY forum - it's just an opinion.
Posted 12/4/2016 2:03 PM (GMT -5)
I'm curious about this too. I have heard/read conflicting information on Lyme and exercise. For example this was posted a while back:

Burrascano was discussing how major high-level athletes are often susceptible to severe illness and they discovered that the T-cell responses in people who do highly aerobic activities drop drastically.

Then after 24 hrs of rest the T-cells climb to very high levels. However, in really ill people/Lyme patients, it takes MUCH more than 24 hrs, which is one reason why physical activity is discouraged on a daily basis.

Movement, but not aerobic activity is beneficial every three days and only when you feel energized after movement, should you increase it to every other day. Never every day.

I have also read that weight lifting is beneficial for people with lyme. Light weights of course.
Posted 12/4/2016 3:38 PM (GMT -5)
Russians aka Slovaks have been using Banyas aka wet saunas since roughly 945ad and the Finns earlier than that for it's many health benfits.
Posted 12/4/2016 4:02 PM (GMT -5)

Huddie said...
I'm curious about this too. I have heard/read conflicting information on Lyme and exercise. For example this was posted a while back:

Burrascano was discussing how major high-level athletes are often susceptible to severe illness and they discovered that the T-cell responses in people who do highly aerobic activities drop drastically.

Then after 24 hrs of rest the T-cells climb to very high levels. However, in really ill people/Lyme patients, it takes MUCH more than 24 hrs, which is one reason why physical activity is discouraged on a daily basis.

Movement, but not aerobic activity is beneficial every three days and only when you feel energized after movement, should you increase it to every other day. Never every day.

I have also read that weight lifting is beneficial for people with lyme. Light weights of course.

I'm convinced that detoxing is beneficial at any level of health, and while it does make sense not to push yourself while your immune system is struggling to keep up, paths to sweating exist outside of heavy exercise.
I can sit in my home in the summer and sweat and herx from it. I don't push it with a lot of exercise.

But, I think that back to exercise sweat when your immune system is fully functioning as a part of your healthy life detox routine is what is meant.
Posted 12/4/2016 4:42 PM (GMT -5)
Right Huddie - it was Burrascano that first coined the term "exercise intolerance" for Lyme disease patients. Exercise at higher levels are NOT good for those that are quite ill, as it causes a set back. But, light exercise is encouraged, depending on what the person can handle without causing a set back in their health.
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