Candida question

Pirouette has written out some excellent information about Candida/yeast overgrowth and it's symptoms in comparison to Lyme symptoms on page 2 of our intro "New to Lyme....start here".

Thank you so much! Do you think it's logical that my increasing symptoms now that I'm off antibiotic are due to Lyme and or coinfections rather than candida? Or can candida symptoms increase once stopping antibiotics?

There are false positives and there are false negatives, but there are far less of the false positives.
Presentation of clinical symptoms should always be the final determination.

I don't think there are false positive tests...they show that you were exposed to Lyme.

But, we can be asymptomatic - i.e. our body's immune system is keeping it in check. So, we can test positive, but have no symptoms.

..and if we treat lyme, we may show lyme antibodies even after we're in remission.

You have symptoms.
(do you have another explanation for your symptoms that get worse when you stop abx used to treat lyme?)

H Mommy said...
Thank you so much! Do you think it's logical that my increasing symptoms now that I'm off antibiotic are due to Lyme and or coinfections rather than candida? Or can candida symptoms increase once stopping antibiotics?

Candida symptoms would not increase when you stop abx, but Lyme (& any possible co-infections) symptoms sure will.

July, do you mean you thought you had syphilus as a result of what that doctor said?

Thank you all so much. It is logical, the only logical explanation that Lyme and or cos are what's happening since the symptoms stopped or got drastically better on antibiotics but are getting worse by the day since stopping amoxicillin.

Traveler, which herbal protocol do you recommend most?

While it's not what I used, I recommend Buhner's most - it's well laid out, lots of people do heal on it, and lots of people are using it, so there's lots of people to help and to compare notes with.

You can get a sense of what it entails by having a look at the website set up based on his protocols (not by Buhner himself): buhnerhealinglyme.com/

If you do choose to use his protocol, I would however highly suggest that you go ahead and get his books. There are 3 main books for treating these infections - one for Lyme, one for Bartonella and one for Babesia. Bart and Babesia books also cover some of the co-infections. They are not very expensive either, around $10 - $15 per book, and the details he gives makes them well worth the price.

For example, in the Lyme book, he goes into great detail on 'extended' protocols to help deal with severe symptoms - plus great detail about the herbs as well.

This might help you wrap your head around how to proceed. Many very successful LLMD's are now recommending these steps as well:
With the experience that I had personally, and what I've watched others go through, here is what I believe needs to happen for many of us to heal:

a)Detoxing - gene mutations, mold exposure and multiple tick-borne infections can all prevent us from detoxing well, but we must be able to get those toxins out of our bodies. We need to detox by several means daily, as detoxing has a cumulative effect - the more you do, the better your body is at keeping those toxins flowing.


b)Supporting the body functions/systems. We have to have the body working at it's peak performance to heal from something as devastating as these infections. Supporting any gland, organ, body system that is struggling will allow the body to switch it's 'concentration' from just trying to function over to healing.

c) Raise the immune function. Many legitimate Lyme researchers now believe that it's the lowered immune function that determines who gets chronic Lyme and who heals right away. We already know that Lyme lowers the immune function and when a person has Bartonella and/or Babesia, the immune function is further compromised, so to heal we must raise our immune function.

d) Lastly, oddly enough, are anti-infective​ (abx. herbs, etc.)​ treatments. Many of us have experienced treatment failures​ or set backs​, so we can see that the treatments aren't the only thing we need to have - there has to be more to the equation, but anti-infective treatments are very important!! Lyme bacteria are one of the most complicated bacteria! ​Although it takes only hours or days for most bacteria to replicate, Lyme bacteria only replicates in the body every few weeks.​

Hang in there!! I know it all seems overwhelming right now, but we can help you see each step, and you want to take things slow. Starting out with low doses, watching for herxing and any possible issues, adjusting the doses slowly and continuing to figure out what's best for each - but you are not alone in this, as you have all of us to lean on for support and for help with information.

H Mommy - you have lyme - you had three ticks on you in 2016, with a positive Igm western blot...and subsequent symptoms.

You have lyme disease.

If it makes you feel any better..you can get a test for syphillis and rule it out.

You guys, thank you so much. It's bizarre but it's like I need someone to sit me down and slap me and tell me this is real even though I already know it is.

Since I can't reach my doctor until Monday, I want to ask if there would be any complications that could happen if I go back on the amoxicillin since I've been off of it for twelve days? Like could that kill me? Or could staying off of it kill me? I know you're not doctor's but I have to ask. I've been going downhill so fast, I honestly am not sure I will be able to walk by the time of my appointment.

I'm thinking God my husband is freaking me out saying he's scared I could die because I keep getting this horrible "I'm about to die" feeling on and off. I'm thinking it might be smart to go back on the amoxicillin even if only temporarily.

Does anyone have any thoughts for me?

Thank you so much agai for everything you've written to me.

hi H mommy - as traveler said, "Candida symptoms would not increase when you stop abx, but Lyme (& any possible co-infections) symptoms sure will." - perfect answer to your first question

and yes, I would go back on the amoxil asap. the feeling you are going to die is all a part of lyme unfortunately, I had that happen to me too. i was so sick I used to wake up in a panic and run into the livingroom bc I thought my time was up. other times I used to wake up in a panic thinking I could no longer walk (bc i was losing feeling in my legs)

I am all past that now - you can get thru it, but it takes alot of patience and endurance for sure.
I also battled candida heavily after i stopped lyme treatment. so to answer your last question - the symptoms are similar btwn the two, yet different. You can suspect candida, but the only way to really tell is by treating it - there are herbs and meds for candida too, but I dont think you are at that point yet, it sounds like you still have active lyme. A big HOWEVER, if you are going to remain on amoxil, you definitely should be taking probiotics to prevent candida.

H Mommy, I would bet my home and life you do not have syph, and I'm very sorry I mentioned it.

At the time it was his only argument comeback. His first argument was "You don't have Lyme, we don't have Lyme in Missouri." I wasn't sure that was a valid argument for him, so he shut me up with his other pronouncement.

I am absolutely sure I slammed doors getting out of that place.

In fact I have learned not long ago, that we had many cases reported during that year. Drs are not infallible, especially when it comes to Tick borne infections.

Also, Chapelle, that sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing and have been for so long until the antibiotic. Good God it's terrifying and just unbelievable. I feel like I made it so much worse just taking amoxicillin. It's like I killed some of it off or just drove it into hiding and now it's stronger!! Or at least it feels like it is.