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Posted 3/6/2017 2:01 PM (GMT -5)
i am after guidance on herbs alongside antibiotics when on a pulsing protocol. Should Herbs be pulsed too or are we okay to treat everyday?
Posted 3/6/2017 2:25 PM (GMT -5)
When I was pulsing the antibiotics, I took the herbs daily.

Herbs really don't need to be pulsed.
Posted 3/6/2017 2:38 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks girlie. I presumed it should be okay, it's just the herbs my LLMD has prescribed also need to be pulsed but I am also doing a few herbs off my own back and didn't want my methods to interfere or hinder his methods in anyway.
Posted 3/6/2017 2:42 PM (GMT -5)
Artemisinin (not the whole herb Artemisia) needs to be pulsed so the intestines don't create an enzyme to kill it.

I did 4 days on and 10 days off.
Posted 3/6/2017 8:15 PM (GMT -5)
Listen to your body ...its hard as i spent the last few year ignoring its screams ...but support your organs and they will support you....pulsing 20 drops 2x a day of abart on days i days i skip rifampin...
Posted 3/7/2017 6:38 AM (GMT -5)
DS definitely pulsed artemisinin while treating for babesia along with his malarone per the dr's orders. We use detox herbs (not antimicrobials) with his abx and do that daily. Using antimicrobial herbs with abx is too hard on him herxing-wise. I agree, listen to your body and good luck.
Posted 3/7/2017 12:01 PM (GMT -5)
They are anti microbial herbs for babs and are kicking my behind big time. I've already had to take a day off today. My body was definitely trying to tell me something last night. Pressure, pain going into skull, hangover feeling couldn't sleep, shaking anxiety, chest pressure,could not breathe freely! It's hard to know sometimes when to take a day out or throw another day at it when you are getting a response from your body. There's been plenty of times I've complained of some other meds not doing anything at all.
Posted 3/7/2017 1:22 PM (GMT -5)

yancync said...
DS definitely pulsed artemisinin while treating for babesia along with his malarone per the dr's orders. We use detox herbs (not antimicrobials) with his abx and do that daily. Using antimicrobial herbs with abx is too hard on him herxing-wise. I agree, listen to your body and good luck.

The Artemisinin is an antimicrobial herb. So are you saying your son had to stop taking it while on the malarone?
Posted 3/7/2017 4:32 PM (GMT -5)
No not that one because it was prescribed by his LLNP to take along with the malarone and he didn't herx with that. But on my own I had given him some - eg cat's claw and some other herbs - the first month when he was on doxy every day per his pediatrician. It knocked his socks off. They said they saw too many herxes with patients on it and specifically said to avoid that one for now. I've sort of switched to focus on detox once I learned how important that is.

I've been reading up and keeping lists of herbs to try in maintenance mode though.
Posted 3/7/2017 9:58 PM (GMT -5)
I'm pulsing Artemisinin and Enula as part of a larger pulsing schedule alongside abx and anti-malarial pharmaceuticals.
Posted 3/8/2017 6:30 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Rikky I think we are under the same doctor and on same(ish) protocol. Are you on mepron or malarone alongside the Enula/Artemisian?
Do you take any other herbs on your days off or are you only taking what they tell you to take?
I am doing herbal treatment on my days off and just wonder if this is wise since the whole point of there pulsing protocol is to stimulate immune system and give our bodies a break etc...
Posted 3/8/2017 11:34 AM (GMT -5)

Ambella said...
Hi Rikky I think we are under the same doctor and on same(ish) protocol. Are you on mepron or malarone alongside the Enula/Artemisian?
Do you take any other herbs on your days off or are you only taking what they tell you to take?
I am doing herbal treatment on my days off and just wonder if this is wise since the whole point of there pulsing protocol is to stimulate immune system and give our bodies a break etc...

Ambella - You know .... I'm thinking of what you just said...and that makes sense. There are some Dr.'s who pulse for that reason. I'm thinking that it may not be a good idea to take the herbs - well at least the ones with anti-bacterial properties on the days off.
But, things like hawthorne, other support herbs...might be okay?

Does your LLMD not have you on support herbs? And if so...are they also pulsed on same schedule?
Posted 3/8/2017 3:14 PM (GMT -5)
So the herbs they prescribe for supportive purposes are to deal with herxes and detox so I take as and when needed rather than pulsed.
The thing is I'm a complicated case in that my body can't seem to tolerate babesia treatment (I didn't actually believe I had babesia as I had barely any symptoms until they treated with anti malarials and all babs hell broke loose!) they keep attempting to treat it but my body is really not happy. Gosh a lyme herx is a day out at Disney compared to a babs herx. Part of me wishes we'd left it well alone but I guess we all feel like that at certain times in treatment.

We are now trying to get my load down as naturally as possible first before stacking up the anti malarials again at which point hopefully my herx won't be as strong. So I'm doing their reduced protocol and buhners babs herbs to help knock it back....I guess the sensible solution would be do what my body can handle.
Posted 3/8/2017 3:58 PM (GMT -5)

Ambella said...
So the herbs they prescribe for supportive purposes are to deal with herxes and detox so I take as and when needed rather than pulsed.
The thing is I'm a complicated case in that my body can't seem to tolerate babesia treatment (I didn't actually believe I had babesia as I had barely any symptoms until they treated with anti malarials and all babs hell broke loose!) they keep attempting to treat it but my body is really not happy. Gosh a lyme herx is a day out at Disney compared to a babs herx. Part of me wishes we'd left it well alone but I guess we all feel like that at certain times in treatment.

We are now trying to get my load down as naturally as possible first before stacking up the anti malarials again at which point hopefully my herx won't be as strong. So I'm doing their reduced protocol and buhners babs herbs to help knock it back....I guess the sensible solution would be do what my body can handle.

Yes you don't want to overdo it and suffer for it.
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