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Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 5/14/2021 8:08:39 PM (GMT-6)

With Lyme, I don't follow bottle instructions - I would follow Buhner's....but remember we don't all end up on the same dose. You need to titrate up slooowwwwly.
FYI 1/4 tsp = 30 drops.

I have been taking it...along with antibiotics...and I don't know if and how I responded...because even though I started low and raised slowly, my symptoms are and always have been all over the map - changing daily...flares, herxes sometimes are unclear. I got up to 10 drops 3X daily.

Please start your kid#2 on one drop a day....then after a few days...one drop twice daily.....etc.

At any time he/she is herxing on the dose...then back down to previous dose...and hold for awhile...before trying to go back up.

I use these separately, except for the sida (don't use). I seem to be able to only get to 9 drops of the crypto, 3x a day. The Alchornea is still small at just 2 drops, 3x a day. May bump up next weekend. But I'm on quite a few herbs.

I agree with Peteza. You know best.

It sounds like you and Kid #2 are experiencing Babesia-type herxes...sorry :(

However, while CSA is part of Buhner's Babesia protocol, cryptolepis can actually treat other infections as well. Sida Acuta and Alchornea are also part of Buhner's Bartonella protocol.

It's virtually impossible to know just what is causing what but the fact that you responded to CSA is a sign you've hit areas of infection not hit by previous treatments.

Would any of you consider a cold rinse at the end of your shower/bath? That can help with herxing by moving lymph fluid and provides other benefits as well:

www.medicaldaily.com/benefits-cold-showers-7-reasons-why-taking-cool-showers-good-your-health-289524

How about a binder?

I completely empathize. I've stopped herbs at times because of herxing (and the herxes were mild but I didn't want my body to get overloaded with toxins). It's all part of the process - blech.

1000Daisies said...
I know this is a good thing, in a bad sort of way. Yes, it is bummer to be worse and sick. But the good news is that this is clue in what may be going on, and perhaps there is hope that if we take it slow, we can get better! Right?!? :) :) :)

YES!!! ;)

1000Daisies said...
Looks like we'll have to up our detox methods and take this one slower than slow! We may even have to do it every other day. This is so atypical for us!!

This might not be a bad thing. CSA is obviously effective for you in low doses. You could very well find healing with smaller doses and save money.

1000Daisies said...
Just curious - do those symptoms sound like babesia or bartonella to you guys? They overlap so much to me that I just don't have a feeling on it.

They sound more like Babesia but I know those symptoms also occur with Lyme/Bart. Both infections are so common and there are also Babesia-like and Bartonella-like infections that I realized I just needed to focus on what's working for me and not worry about labeling the cause.

Healing is what's most important, really.

So hard sometimes to tell if issues are from Herx or is it a personal reaction to the drug or herb..

I started CSA and was quickly up to 30 drops 3x a day with no reaction, but I have been on abx for months prior which did and still do give me Herx.

Taking Mino and rifampin pulsing cefixime and Tinidazole for Lyme with mostly neuro symptoms so presumed Bart. 90% better. Good Bart and Lyme coverage.

Post Edited (pismo10) : 5/30/2017 6:24:28 AM (GMT-6)

I understand how intense it can get!! When at my worst, it literally felt like I had a railroad spike 3 inches up into my heal! And that's not an exaggeration, I was just trying to find something that would realistically represent what I was feeling - and as I've had a few nails go through my foot, that qualified!

The Thieves oil really surprised me, as I expected to herx - or something! But it may be that I only use it for a few days at a time, and then I have a break from the heal pain for weeks at a time. It's worked really well for me , and I do hope that it works really well for you too.

I started CSA a few wks ago. BOY. I had to stop it - I needed to be functional for a couple of things going on and it was blocking my sanity so I'm not really sure what sx it stirred up - I was really out of it.

I have to start it again on Monday. I'm scrrrrrd.

LOL

-p

Agreed!

The earlier conversation in this thread was interesting - so many of us have very different reactions to various herbs. So far, there is very little rhyme or reason for it.

For instance, I had NO response to ANY Borrelia herb when I first started. I started with Byron White AL-Complex, which is more concentrated than other combo tinctures---nuthin. I tried high doses of some Cowden or Buhner herbs (can't remember what - this was when I could barely spell my name and was entirely new to herbs and knew nothing about everything so I really don't remember what I tried). I started to rapidly decline and within months I couldn't walk. So that's when I started on IV Rocephin for Lyme. Did great on it after I got past a horrible first 2 months.

Yet, during the same time period I did very well on high doses of A-bab. I would herx as I titrated up but it was all manageable and expected.

Also during this period I took A-bart and every 4-5 wks I developed GI attacks so severe I ended up in the ER. Took an entire year to tie the attacks to A-bart but the remaining herxing was manageable and expected. So after figuring out the relationship to attacks, I switched to IV vanco, did great on that after a horrible first month.

I just went off the IV Rocephin and need a long-term herb... or at least something for the next year. The Beyond Balance herbs are much less potent than Byron White. I am now on max doses of MC-bb2, doing fine. May or may not be effective, I can't tell but I think I'm reacting more than I did to AL-complex but I may try it again since it's more potent but I also might try another protocol.

6 mos. ago I started Samento and Banderol for cyst form, manageable herxing.

I'm on max doses of MC-bab---nuthin.

CSA Complex - explosion.

;)

Shows you really need to try things one at a time, pay close attention to details, keep good records, and shift things if necessary.

-p