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Posted 4/2/2017 3:26 PM (GMT -5)
Hi there all! I'm looking into herbals since my doc won't do long term antibiotics. I actually think I will be much more comfortable going the herbal route as well. I was wondering which of these two was thought to be a better program..? I like the fact that you can actually speak with Dr Rawls,, even though it's pretty pricey...
Posted 4/2/2017 3:33 PM (GMT -5)
Preferences are going to vary with who's tried who.

I can't compare the two, I've only read what Buhner says.
Posted 4/2/2017 3:44 PM (GMT -5)
Hi, You can also speak with one of Buhner's Herbalist. I'm not sure of the cost though. So far I have had good improvements with the Buhner Protocol and ABX. I think I read in Dr Rawls books that he likes the Buhner proctocol too.
Have a good day, Jo
Posted 4/2/2017 4:00 PM (GMT -5)
Honestly most members have tried different protocols to see what works best for them.
Posted 4/2/2017 4:53 PM (GMT -5)
Dr. Rawls did a variation of Buhner's protocol because he had lyme disease. Same herbs just less of them in the basic protocol.

Rawls book is easier to read if you have lyme brain, in my opinion. Buhner's book you just go straight to Chapter 8 for the protocol if you have lyme brain.

I have both books and they both have a great purpose. I would not do without either book.

Buhner's book can be more specific for herbal needs beyond the basic protocol. Rawls deals more with the source of the symptoms. I love using both books in conjunction. They both are awesome.
Posted 4/17/2017 4:07 PM (GMT -5)
Hello Everyone,

I just finished one month on Dr. Rawls Probiotic and Advanced Biotic. I was in a major flare and I started to see improvement with my fatigue after a few days.

I had been taking the same herbs, basically, following the Buhner protocol. But Rawls is formulated well and I don't have to buy several different products. My LLDO is very happy with this and said, "You know, I'll bet in the long run it is cheaper this way"

I did have a slight herx when I went on it. So I think it is formulated well; and I can know I am getting the amount I need. I just ordered his vital plan which includes mitochondria care and vitamin supplements. I was sick of all the bottle all over the counter.

Dr. Rawls and his care team give great support. He has answered a lot of questions for me and they have a closed Facebook page that you can request a membership to for community support as well. Oh, and they have a e-mail newsletter that highlights different subjects that deal with Lyme and chronic illness.

Also, there is a survey that you fill out to ascertain where you are when you start the program. The member care of this group is really something. I am very impressed and so far I really like the product.

I hope that helps.
Posted 4/17/2017 4:32 PM (GMT -5)
Putple Tulip - I've been thinking of switching over to vital plan too. Currently taking green dragon core. Are you taking antibiotics with it? Please keep us updated!
Posted 4/17/2017 4:43 PM (GMT -5)
Purple Tulip that is awesome to hear of your improvement and how well Rawls' protocol is doing for you. I sure like his book.
Posted 4/17/2017 4:54 PM (GMT -5)
I have done tinctures raw herb and green dragon not to mention the all the supplements for mitochondrial support! This makes it so much simpler.

I really think his probiotic is excellent. My adrenal fatigued improved within days. I was hardly making it through a day a work; and all of a sudden I realized it was 2 o'clock and haven't crashed. I had been bottoming out at 11:30

I am going to do the whole plan this summer and see where it takes me!! I am traveling a bit and 4 bottles is better than a suitcase full!
Posted 4/18/2017 9:21 AM (GMT -5)
I like Rawls' thinking on how the body works. I really like the idea of 4 bottles rather than a suitcase full. We went for a vacation and I got a large padded camera case for all of my herbs. I put the pills in the suitcase, but I wanted the tinctures to sit upright.

I am sure the maid at the hotel wondered what the heck we were taking.
Posted 4/18/2017 9:26 AM (GMT -5)
As the others said above Purple Tulip's post is true, it's different for each of us.

But, congratulations Purple Tulip on finding something that seems to work for you!!! turn
Posted 4/18/2017 10:28 AM (GMT -5)
I will let you know. I am going to do this with consistency through the summer. I have been taking the advanced biotic (lymeformulation) and his probiotic). The entire "plan" arrives this week with the mitachondrial support and vitamins all formulated for people like us!

I personally need something I can take without a lot of measuring and hemming together.

But as traveler reminded us, we are not all same; neither do our immune systems react the same to the same things. But so far I like the products. I'll keep you informed!
Posted 4/18/2017 10:45 AM (GMT -5)
Please do and I will be praying that it all works!

There are people that heal on Cowden's and that is all laid out. People have healed on Beyond Balance and that is all laid out.

So keep thinking positive and so will I.
Posted 4/18/2017 10:57 AM (GMT -5)
Good word, PeteZa!

Prayers certainly appreciated! I am traveling a few times in the next few months and it seems to kill me! This is my attempt to keep consistent with good products while I simplify!
Posted 4/18/2017 11:32 AM (GMT -5)
PS: KO7 I am not taking antibiotics with it. I was on a Picc line years ago followed by years of antibiotics. I pushed the bugs into remission, and had my life back for a few years. But sadly as my body changed my immune system could not hold it back any longer.
I tried antibiotics again, and it did nothing. I went herbal with Buhner protocol. Rawls is based on Buhner.
Posted 4/18/2017 11:43 AM (GMT -5)
I wish you the best of luck and I do hope that the Rawls plan will allow you to stay consistent enough to see some good progress!!

Do remember to detox extra and to rest as much as you can while traveling!!!
Posted 4/18/2017 4:30 PM (GMT -5)
My hardest thing was the food when I traveled. Living in California we have a lot of organic restaurants, but only in the main towns. I would stock up on good non-perishable healthy foods so as we traveled we had good snacks at least.

We want to do a huge trip this fall traveling the "blue" highways. These are the blue roads on a map and generally aren't the main roads. I wanted to go see the desert in bloom this spring, but hubby wasn't feeling well....

So many things to see and so little time in this life. I love to travel but this last year we have been pretty close to home - not traveling more than 8 hours. Neither of us wanted to fly. It will be so nice when both of us are well and can play travel bugs.
Posted 6/23/2017 9:10 AM (GMT -5)
I am new to HealingWell. I am considering Herbs, I have been on Antibiotics for 3 months with LLD and still fell horrible with fatigue and pain and brain fog. Diagnosed with only one Band (34) positive on IgM western Blot. I am wondering if Purple Tulip had success with Buher. Her last post was 4/2017. Anybody sucessful with any of the Herb programs out there? Thank you for any help and advise you can send my way.

Patty
Posted 6/23/2017 9:21 AM (GMT -5)
Hey Patty, welcome to HealingWell,

There are definitely people on here who have had success with herbals. Traveler and PeteZa come to mind. Traveler did a ton of different stuff and I believe PeteZa did Buhner.

This blog details another person who had success with Buhner:

realfoodrebel.com/success-with-buhners-protocol-for-lyme/

Purple Tulip hasn't posted in about a month, but their email is listed when you click on the profile, so you can send an email if you like.
Posted 6/23/2017 9:36 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Poetic!
Welcome to our community! I'm so glad you've joined us!

I​f ​you haven't ​yet​, it would be helpful for you to start with reading through the thread at the top of the forum titled,"New to Lyme?...Start here!!", as​​ it is packed ​​full of ​​important information​​, symptom lists, helpful links and pdf's, how to detox when one has these infections, information on probiotics and much more.​​ ​​​​And, here's another good place to find helpful detoxing rout​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ines​​:​​​​​​ ​​​http://www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html​​

We have quite a few people doing well on Buhner's protocols, a few doing Cowden's protocol, and a couple that are using the Chronic Tonic (and I'll be switching from Buhner's back to the Chronic Tonic in a few weeks).

Do be sure that you are detoxing well, as that will make any type of treatment easier to get through usually.

And keep asking questions!!
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Posted 6/23/2017 9:47 AM (GMT -5)
Hello Patty and welcome. I healed using Buhner's protocol and a couple of Beyond Balance products.

I was very strict in my treatment, eating and detoxing. And, very little stress in my life.

I really love Rawls' book, Unlocking Lyme. It explains easily lyme and what is happening in our body and how to help our body heal. I love the Buhner books for protocols, but Rawl's book is such easy reading and explains the why's and how's of lyme.
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