Loutucky, you can't see the cysts, you know. They encapsulate the bacteria inside of our tissues, and are miniscule in size.

To answer your question Doxy sends what it can't kill immediately into cyst form.
If an antibiotic is listed as being able to cross the Blood Brain Barrier, then it destroys the cyst, but not necessarily the then unprotected bacteria, that's why it's good to take the two kinds together, pulsed at least.

Tinidazole breaks the BB barrier. I don't believe azith does. I don't thin ceftin does either, but I'm not positive.

From Jemsek clinic:
"The emerging research on a cystic form of Bb has changed the long-term treatment picture. In theory, biologic and environmental stress promotes conversion or “morphing” of the spirochetal form to a cystic form, apparently within hours, and this form exhibits different surface antigens and therefore a different presentation to the immune system. The converse is documented, i.e. the cystic form can readily convert back to the spirochetal form (122). It is known that antibiotic pressure, utilizing medications effective against the spirochetal form, accelerates cyst formation (123). In vitro, incubation of Bb with ceftriaxone, for example, leads to Bb cyst formation after just four hours, much faster and more completely than doxycycline exposure (123). As expected, neither of these compounds (or any other commonly used antibiotics in LD) have any effect of the cyst. On the other hand, many studies indicate that metronidazole is effective in killing the cystic form, but not the spirochetal form, of the Bb bacteria (124). For that reason, many Lyme aware physicians have begun to see the value of using combination antibiotic therapy with the addition of the agent metronidazole"

We realize in vitro tests often have differing results than what happens inside of us, and I know that not everyone is in agreement with Jemsek, but it coincides with my experience after 3 months of 400 mg daily of Doxy in mono treatment, I started having escalating CNS symptoms like I had never had before. I ended up feeling like the Doxy drove it.

Loutucky said...
julymorning and Girlie, lots of good information. Thank you so much. My doctor told me to wait two weeks and start the tinidazole with the doxy two days a week.

I've never taken a biofilm buster so I need to look into that.

Are you going to take the tinidazole twice a day for the two days?

biofilm buster = serrapeptase, lumbrokanise and nattokonaise

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newuser22 said...
How do we figure out of the evil has taken cyst form?

If you're on antibiotics - just assume it will and take a cyst buster.

All antibiotic protocols should at some point include a cyst buster.

Can I ask how this would work with Rocephin? I took 2g rocephin IV for 28 days with nothing else - does that mean I should have taken something else at the same time, and should have assumed I have cysts?

Girlie, thanks. I don't have an LLMD and now my treatment is finished, she's kind of finished with me! I'm going through the process of trying to find someone here that can help me. Looks like I'm more or less on my own until then.

Thanks again - if I start taking something like a cyst buster, should I be worried that it's just releasing the Lyme back into my system with nothing to kill it? I'm finished antibiotics and not currently on any herbal protocol. Perhaps I shouldn't start that until I start a protocol?

Any kind of mass killing antibiotic that makes a lot of spirochete-form borrelia die, turns the rest that survive into cysts. This is how the bacteria population knows it is dying. It detects toxins from other sisters that die and the lucky ones that are not dividing go into cyst. This is also why borrelia emits so many toxins when it disintegrates, it's not only helping confuse the immune system and make u sicker, but also can be detected by other bacteria that are not dead yet. So it is pointless in my opinion to ask what antibiotics turn spirochetes into cysts, even a powerful immune system attack from your own body will result in many lyme bacteria dead and the remaning will turn into cysts.

you may be asking which antibiotics work against the non-dividing form. Those are the ones listed by Girlie. In general all the 5-nitro family of prodrugs work, the -dazole (metronidazole, tinidazole etc...) drugs. This is an ongoing field of research it is not well known yet what kills these persisters efficiently.

Dapsone for example is one and Dr H from NY is treating chronic lyme patients with Dapsone. This is a very new finding (last year) so no too many LLMDS that use it just yet.

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