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Posted 9/10/2017 1:00 PM (GMT -5)
Awhile ago I pared down my supplements - and am looking to add something for inflammation.


What have you used that works?


Not LDN (tried that - didn't work)
Posted 9/10/2017 1:04 PM (GMT -5)
for inflammation I use Excedrin if it seems to be a headache type of inflammation, I have also boon looking into low dose Dextromethorphan as it is, just now, being studied as a treatment for fibromyalgia. It has many different ways that it works to calm down inflammation.
Posted 9/10/2017 1:07 PM (GMT -5)
Curcumin is the only thing that ever helped even slightly for me. High doses tho, at least 3,000 mg/day
Posted 9/10/2017 1:11 PM (GMT -5)
aac.asm.org/content/55/3/967.full



/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18647232

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26004757

studies on dextromethorphan. The first one is most interesting where it links this substance to having bacterial killing effects also.

It is cheap also.
Posted 9/10/2017 1:14 PM (GMT -5)
I don't want anything pharma - so no excedrin or Dextromethorphan . Isn't that a synthetic opiate?

I don't have headaches.

I did try Curcumin for many months...maybe I didn't take enough.
Posted 9/10/2017 1:42 PM (GMT -5)
Anti-inflammatory herbs that Buhner calls out? Also NAC, EGCG?
Posted 9/10/2017 1:47 PM (GMT -5)
New Chapter Zyflemend (not sure I spelled that exactly right and too lazy to get up and check). It's a natural anti inflammatory. It does work. I've taken it for years. Omega 3's and diet. Staying clear of dairy and gluten have made a big difference for me. I can tell when something gets past me.
Posted 9/10/2017 1:53 PM (GMT -5)
It is not a synthetic opiate. it does not have addiction properties and its safety profile is very good especially at the doses needed to curb inflammation.

how i see it is the entire reason herbs are used is because of their chemical constituents which are the same types of chemicals that the medical community uses.
I have tried a lot of herbs. I have pounds of high quality dried and ground herbs stored in my freezer and I wasn't happy with any of them. sometimes the medical communities finds the good chems in nature, narrows them down, alters them to be more efficient, and manufactures them for people to use safely.

If it helps me natural or medicinal I will try it. I will also stop either one if they do not help substantially.

it always amazes me, most antibiotics are naturally occuring made form fungi and bacteria. asprin is natural, many others. and many plants have no reason to make the specialty chemicals that work specifically with our bodies so we step in there and can make things work for us.
Posted 9/10/2017 2:06 PM (GMT -5)
Girlie,

I have tons of inflammation. The only things that help me are at least 3,000 mg per day of Curcumin and SPM Active by Metagenics.

I had to take both for a while because inflammation was so bad.

I ran out of SPM Active weeks ago and did not reorder because it's stupid expensive. I've been in another bout of inflammation for almost 2 weeks now. I think I'm going to have to get more and take it until the inflammation is under control again. Then just take it as needed.

When I first started taking SPM Active, the results were almost miraculous. I took 4 capsules in the morning. The Curcumin I split into 3 doses - morning, afternoon, and night.
Posted 9/10/2017 2:20 PM (GMT -5)
Girlie- I tried many things for "inflammation" - that really didnt do anything but cost a lot.

When we hurt, we assume its inflamation, but its obviously not all the same inflammation. Having some sort of positive inflammation test sure helps to know our target.

For all the years I was in pain my standard C-reactive protien and sed rate tests were normal. How could that be if I had pain and even had several elevated antibodys along with infections?

I wish whatever "inflammation" we experience had better tests.

My elevated thyroid antibodies are a form of inflammation. And C4a is a more cellular infection inflammation test which was elevated in me for years - thats why I suddenly decided to go for the low inflamation / autoimmune diet that people prob get tired of me mentioning, as no supplements other than OTC NSAIDS provided any releaf. I didnt feel better untill three months.
Posted 9/10/2017 2:44 PM (GMT -5)

jrpsf said...
New Chapter Zyflemend (not sure I spelled that exactly right and too lazy to get up and check). It's a natural anti inflammatory. It does work. I've taken it for years. Omega 3's and diet. Staying clear of dairy and gluten have made a big difference for me. I can tell when something gets past me.


Which Omega 3's - brand? And how much?


I did the dairy, gluten, sugar free for several months...no help.

I still don't eat much of those three though.
Posted 9/10/2017 2:52 PM (GMT -5)

astroman said...
aving some sort of positive inflammation test sure helps to know our target.

For all the years I was in pain my standard C-reactive protien and sed rate tests were normal. How could that be if I had pain and even had several elevated antibodys along with infections?

I wish whatever "inflammation" we experience had better tests

Those tests are typically indicative of full blown autoimmune disease. Dr Ritchie Shoemaker discovered inflammatory lab markers that identify Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) from biotoxins, including Borrellia. A few of those are Visual Contrast Sensitivity test, VEGF, MMP9, TGF Beta-1, C3a, C4a.

http://www.survivingmold.com/diagnosis/lab-tests
Posted 9/10/2017 2:59 PM (GMT -5)

MAF249 said...
It is not a synthetic opiate. it does not have addiction properties and its safety profile is very good especially at the doses needed to curb inflammation.

how i see it is the entire reason herbs are used is because of their chemical constituents which are the same types of chemicals that the medical community uses.
I have tried a lot of herbs. I have pounds of high quality dried and ground herbs stored in my freezer and I wasn't happy with any of them. sometimes the medical communities finds the good chems in nature, narrows them down, alters them to be more efficient, and manufactures them for people to use safely.

If it helps me natural or medicinal I will try it. I will also stop either one if they do not help substantially.

it always amazes me, most antibiotics are naturally occuring made form fungi and bacteria. asprin is natural, many others. and many plants have no reason to make the specialty chemicals that work specifically with our bodies so we step in there and can make things work for us.


"Dextromethorphan (DXM) is chemically related to codeine and acts on the brain to suppress cough, but it does not have the pain relieving and addictive properties of codeine...."

www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=33329

"Dextromethorphan (DXM) (d-3-methoxy-N-methyl­ morphinan) is the dextro isomer of levomethorphan, a semisynthetic morphine derivative. Although structurally similar to other narcotics, DXM does not act as a mu-receptor opioid (e.g. morphine, heroin)."

/www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/dextro_m.pdf


"Dextromethorphan (DXM or DM) is a cough suppressant and opioid derivative used in more than 100 over-the-counter medicines."

drugabuse.com/library/dextromethorphan-abuse/
Posted 9/10/2017 3:01 PM (GMT -5)

dacarte3 said...
Anti-inflammatory herbs that Buhner calls out? Also NAC, EGCG?

I did try the NAC - and I did drink green tea...but didn't take the EGCG as a supplement.
Posted 9/10/2017 3:05 PM (GMT -5)

astroman said...
Girlie- I tried many things for "inflammation" - that really didnt do anything but cost a lot.

When we hurt, we assume its inflamation, but its obviously not all the same inflammation. Having some sort of positive inflammation test sure helps to know our target.

For all the years I was in pain my standard C-reactive protien and sed rate tests were normal. How could that be if I had pain and even had several elevated antibodys along with infections?

I wish whatever "inflammation" we experience had better tests.

My elevated thyroid antibodies are a form of inflammation. And C4a is a more cellular infection inflammation test which was elevated in me for years - thats why I suddenly decided to go for the low inflamation / autoimmune diet that people prob get tired of me mentioning, as no supplements other than OTC NSAIDS provided any releaf. I didnt feel better untill three months.

Ive had my C-Reactive protein and sed rate tests done a few times...normal, as well.
Posted 9/10/2017 3:08 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...

jrpsf said...
New Chapter Zyflemend (not sure I spelled that exactly right and too lazy to get up and check). It's a natural anti inflammatory. It does work. I've taken it for years. Omega 3's and diet. Staying clear of dairy and gluten have made a big difference for me. I can tell when something gets past me.


Which Omega 3's - brand? And how much?


I did the dairy, gluten, sugar free for several months...no help.

I still don't eat much of those three though.

I take Ultimate OmegaX2 by Nordic Naturals 3 capsules twice a day.

Are you sure that when you did dairy free and gluten free it didn't help? I'm only asking because if you were at a point where you felt so crappy it was hard to distinguish what was making you feel that way maybe now you might get some relief.
We've been treating for about the same amount of time. For me there are times it's clear what's making me feel like crap and other times where I couldn't tell you anything specific except for something is way off.
Posted 9/10/2017 3:09 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks everyone.

I'm thinking maybe two supplements - trying Curcumin and Omega's again.

So I'll try higher doses of the Curcumin. (3000 a day)

...and how much Omega 3's ??

I'm tempted to take the SPM Active based on WalkingbyFaith's testimony.

I wonder if I can get that on Amazon.

I don't have muscle or arthritis pain...it's more of a nerve pain..but it could be an inflammatory response.
Posted 9/10/2017 3:12 PM (GMT -5)
I like MSM for inflammation, works best with vitamin C. Like anything else though, its best to start out low & gradually increase to desired dose. Takes awhile to kick in.

I do think it works. When I first started it I thought it didn't help, so I stopped taking it when I ran out- and then I realized it really had been helping.
Posted 9/11/2017 9:35 AM (GMT -5)
I agree with looking into turmeric. There is also new research on CoQ10 for improving inflammatory markers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28179205

Both CoQ10 and turmeric have trouble with absorption. Look for turmeric with ingredients added to enhance absorption. For CoQ10, look for a form that is both water and fat-soluble.
Posted 9/11/2017 10:08 AM (GMT -5)
A DMSO + Magnesium oil mix was very helpful for me. I apply it 2xtimes a day topically.

Also I use fish oil and turmeric + avovado + ananas + sunflower or pumpkin seeds smoothies.

Cacao nibs are useful against inflammation and depression.


I really hope some of the information is helpful for you.
Posted 9/11/2017 10:20 AM (GMT -5)
As you already know, high dose magnesium and Flax has been nothing short of a miracle for me. Since my pain was magnesium deficiency nothing else would work for me. Ingestion of Epsom salts and making a note of its effects tipped me off to this. It only took 25 years to figure out.

We need to keep searching for the root cause of our inflammation and pay special attention to what we are taking or eating (or not eating) when we experience a reduction of the inflammation.

I hope you find the root cause of yours.
Posted 9/11/2017 10:31 AM (GMT -5)
I have a lot of inflammation. I've tried curcimin, LDN (helped for a while, but not helping now), NAC.

For me the best thing to reduce the pain is a high dose IV of magnesium, alka seltzer gold and the epsom baths. I've also just started exploring the essential oils, and that four thieves does seem to help with muscle pain.
Posted 9/11/2017 10:43 AM (GMT -5)
How about Bromelain? It is the number one when I google for inflammation herbs.
Posted 9/11/2017 11:54 AM (GMT -5)

jrpsf said...

Girlie said...

jrpsf said...
New Chapter Zyflemend (not sure I spelled that exactly right and too lazy to get up and check). It's a natural anti inflammatory. It does work. I've taken it for years. Omega 3's and diet. Staying clear of dairy and gluten have made a big difference for me. I can tell when something gets past me.


Which Omega 3's - brand? And how much?


I did the dairy, gluten, sugar free for several months...no help.

I still don't eat much of those three though.

I take Ultimate OmegaX2 by Nordic Naturals 3 capsules twice a day.

Are you sure that when you did dairy free and gluten free it didn't help? I'm only asking because if you were at a point where you felt so crappy it was hard to distinguish what was making you feel that way maybe now you might get some relief.
We've been treating for about the same amount of time. For me there are times it's clear what's making me feel like crap and other times where I couldn't tell you anything specific except for something is way off.

I guess it's possible. Nothing at all changed when I was off them. But, then I guess I should try all the other stuff again as well? LDN, CBD oil, Progesterone, etc. etc.

I think I will try Omegas (thanks for your dosage jrpsf) and Curcumin and see how it goes.
Posted 9/11/2017 11:56 AM (GMT -5)

Kat1000 said...
I have a lot of inflammation. I've tried curcimin, LDN (helped for a while, but not helping now), NAC.

For me the best thing to reduce the pain is a high dose IV of magnesium, alka seltzer gold and the epsom baths. I've also just started exploring the essential oils, and that four thieves does seem to help with muscle pain.

I'm not sure if I can get IV magnesium - there's two ND's where I live and I haven't seen that offered.

The epsom baths work well - I get relief for a couple hours after one.

Alka Seltzer gold didn't help.
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