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Posted 10/11/2017 5:08 PM (GMT -5)
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/17/130898

had an appt with my LLMD, who told me of this recent study..he is a well known LLMD who has used this as part of his pulsing protocol for awhile (liposomal type of OoO)...it made me herx and brought me back to good health, for awhile at least

very interesting
Posted 10/11/2017 5:28 PM (GMT -5)
Would you mind sharing what brand you used and where you purchased it?

Patty
Posted 10/11/2017 5:53 PM (GMT -5)
could you also link the study
Posted 10/11/2017 6:14 PM (GMT -5)

MAF249 said...
could you also link the study

I think that is the study he posted a link to
Posted 10/11/2017 6:18 PM (GMT -5)
lol yep, sorry. too much reading today for me. my apologies
Posted 10/11/2017 6:19 PM (GMT -5)
it was liposomal oil of oregano, by prescription, from hopkinton drug, a compounding pharmacy in Massachussets- it was sent by mail in a cold pack...but i would imagine non liposomal variety over the counter may work as well
Posted 10/11/2017 6:28 PM (GMT -5)
yes i've heard of several LLMD's using liposomal OoO. Oil of Oregano is very powerful stuff esp in high concentrations. So is Olive Leaf Extract. It's too bad we don't see more studies using the top tier herbs and their effectiveness against pathogens so we're stuck experimenting with LLMD's and unfortunately using ourselves as guinea pigs.
Posted 10/11/2017 6:54 PM (GMT -5)
I used oregano oil a lot for candida.....I would feel internally warm from this. Maybe it was going after lyme too.....
Posted 10/11/2017 7:22 PM (GMT -5)

Somebody said...
. Here, we evaluated the activity of a panel of 34 essential oils for activity against B. burgdorferi stationary phase cells. Interestingly, we found that many essential oils had varying degrees of activity against the stationary phase B. burgdorferi. In particular, the top 5 essential oils (oregano, cinnamon bark, clove bud, citronella, and wintergreen) at a low concentration of 0.25% showed more activity than the persister drug daptomycin (40 microM). An interesting observation is that the highly active essential oils were found to have excellent anti-biofilm ability as shown by their ability to dissolve the aggregated biofilm-like structures. In subculture studies, the three top hits, oregano, cinnamon bark and clove bud completely eradicated all viable cells without any regrowth, but citronella, wintergreen, and geranium bourbon could not completely kill the stationary phase B. burgdorferi with many spirochetes being visible after 21-day subculture. In addition, carvacrol was found to be the most active ingredient of oregano oil and had excellent activity against B. burgdorferi stationary phase cells, while p-cymene and alpha-terpinene had no apparent activity.

thats the key info.

oregano, cinnamon bark and clove were all highly affective against lyme and biofilm, even moreso than ABX
Posted 10/11/2017 7:25 PM (GMT -5)
carvacrol is the active ingredient in oregeno EO, so look for a product with high carvacrol %

you could use this on the skin, then rub some DMSO on it. the DMSO will take the oregano right into your body. that way you could bypass the digestive track
Posted 10/11/2017 7:49 PM (GMT -5)
DMSO reminds me of the company BASF. we don't make the products you want we make them better ;)
Posted 10/11/2017 9:11 PM (GMT -5)
Does it kill the good bacteria also?
Posted 10/11/2017 10:11 PM (GMT -5)

cr3ativegirl said...
Does it kill the good bacteria also?

most likely yes
Posted 10/11/2017 10:47 PM (GMT -5)
you shared an old study. use this one, was published last week and now full text is available

/doi.org/10.3389/fmed.2017.00169
Posted 10/12/2017 3:18 AM (GMT -5)
I've been taking oregano oil 2x daily( or more ) for several years, and cinnamon& clove on & off for about a year & a half ( my stomach just can't handle constant large doses of the cinnamon & clove, plus it gets quite expensive at high doses!

When my llmd found out about this study she said she believes that the reason my Lyme hasn't progressed even further than it has is because I take these oils. She said oregano, Clove & cinnamon bark can actually kill 100% of lyme ( in Petri dish) .
Posted 10/12/2017 4:03 AM (GMT -5)
mpost...its the same study but the full write up, so thanks so much for posting
Posted 10/12/2017 7:04 AM (GMT -5)
This makes sense to me. Many years ago, I used to try and take Gaia Oregano oil capsules for my sinus infections and I would get super sick after a day or so, but I probably was hitting Lyme and didn't know it.
Posted 10/12/2017 8:14 AM (GMT -5)
I was going to start taking gaia brand. It says to not take for more than 2-4 wks though. I guess I'll try for a month take 1 cap in morning with bfast and 1 with dinner.
Posted 10/12/2017 10:12 AM (GMT -5)

Casa11 said...
I've been taking oregano oil 2x daily( or more ) for several years, and cinnamon& clove on & off for about a year & a half ( my stomach just can't handle constant large doses of the cinnamon & clove, plus it gets quite expensive at high doses!

When my llmd found out about this study she said she believes that the reason my Lyme hasn't progressed even further than it has is because I take these oils. She said oregano, Clove & cinnamon bark can actually kill 100% of lyme ( in Petri dish) .

use the DMSO method to bypass the stomach all together. its just as affective, if no more. plus you can target specific areas of the body that are most affected.
Posted 10/12/2017 10:19 AM (GMT -5)
Where do you source DSMO? What is the best brand? Is there a particular type you recommend? Thanks
Posted 10/12/2017 10:21 AM (GMT -5)

Missouri said...
Where do you source DSMO? What is the best brand? Is there a particular type you recommend? Thanks

yes, do NOT get the brand with the tree on the label. full of contaminants, bad company should be sued into oblivion.

www.dmsostore.com

thats the best, legit Pharma grade dmso. they also sell on amazon.
Posted 10/12/2017 10:32 AM (GMT -5)

1000Daisies said...
I have it in my cupboard, and I've been hesitant to use it. Ingesting oils is sooooo controversial. So, it sits in my cupboard until I change my mind. : |

I've used olive leaf extract previously, as I've read how powerful it is. It did nothing for me. (Neither did monolaurin/lauricidin.)



olive leaf is more affective against virus than bacteria.

again, try the dmso method if you are shy to consumer EO's
Posted 10/12/2017 5:05 PM (GMT -5)

Lapis_29 said...

Missouri said...
Where do you source DSMO? What is the best brand? Is there a particular type you recommend? Thanks

yes, do NOT get the brand with the tree on the label. full of contaminants, bad company should be sued into oblivion.

www.dmsostore.com

thats the best, legit Pharma grade dmso. they also sell on amazon.

Lapis - you know there are contaminants in that brand? That's the one my husband uses now.
Posted 10/12/2017 6:45 PM (GMT -5)

1000Daisies said...
I have it in my cupboard, and I've been hesitant to use it. Ingesting oils is sooooo controversial. So, it sits in my cupboard until I change my mind. : |

I've used olive leaf extract previously, as I've read how powerful it is. It did nothing for me. (Neither did monolaurin/lauricidin.)


This is because alot of these oils and fats, including monolaurin, do not make it into the blood after being taken orally. I could not find any evidence on monolaurin being effectively absorbed into the blood so I had to research things about fat metabolism.

What I found is that monolaurin gets bound up as a triglyceride type ball with other fats. that ball type molecule gets into the bloddstream and once it is taken apart by cells... the monolaurin is taken out as lauric acid. It never gets to the blood in a useful form.

DMSO is also hard to use for these purposes. For OoO mixed with DMSO you end up really really smelling strongly for hours. I believe that the oil gets into cells locally with DMSO on skin but may take days to disperse into the body if it doesnt evaporate back out of the skin

DMSO with monolaurin... The monolaurin will dissolve in dmso although It does take some time. the issue is once you add water the whole mixture becomes a soap. So I applied it to my skin anyways, it basically made a soap film on my skin.

the best bet is liposomal OoO. or any liposomal oil thats is effective against lyme in vitro
Posted 10/12/2017 7:07 PM (GMT -5)

Lapis_29 said...

1000Daisies said...
I have it in my cupboard, and I've been hesitant to use it. Ingesting oils is sooooo controversial. So, it sits in my cupboard until I change my mind. : |

I've used olive leaf extract previously, as I've read how powerful it is. It did nothing for me. (Neither did monolaurin/lauricidin.)



olive leaf is more affective against virus than bacteria.

again, try the dmso method if you are shy to consumer EO's

I can't say for certain but based on how I respond I feel like the Olive Leaf Extract I'm taking hits my bart/blo. It seems very effective for my case. Par for the course with the lyme+ puzzle, what works for one person might not work for another. I don't feel much benefit from the lauricidin, maybe it can potentially work as a hedge against fungal infection and curbing some viral loads?...
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