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Posted 10/16/2017 3:55 AM (GMT -5)
Hi there!

I have a few questions and concerns regarding what the recovery process should look like.

For context I have suffered from lyme symptoms since 09, was diagnosed based on symptoms early this year and have been treating with buhner herbs since the start of June. I have also been taking all of the sensible supplements and detoxing (body scrubbing, epsom salt baths, lemon water, chlorella).

I noticed a small improvement on the basic lyme protocol and then after a couple of months added the babesia protocol which seemed to have no effect. about a month and a half ago I started introducing bartonella herbs and suddenly had a HUGE shift in symptoms (houttuynia had the biggest effect), some of which has been positive and some negative and very worrying!

Gradually improving:
Neuro pain, joint pain, peripheral neuropathy, memory (specifically recall), mood (big shift in anxiety and irritability), cardiac issues, POTS symptoms, IBS

Much worse:
FATIGUE - feeling fluey almost all of the time. Weaker. Sleeping a lot more.
Cognitive issues - general delirious confused feeling. Having trouble doing even simple tasks. Taking in information, left/right confusion, spelling issues, ability to express myself verbally
Malaise - Not really feeling depressed but more distant and detached. Not much drive to do anything.
Bone pain - Something I only had a minor issue with before but this has been far worse especially in my feet

Does any of this sound familiar to anyone else? Am I just herxing and the negative symptoms will pass? Should I make any major changes?

Thanks for reading and I look forward to your replies!
Posted 10/16/2017 5:02 AM (GMT -5)
Hi when I went after Bartonella, I had major new symptoms and old symptoms come out.The intensity was also increased.

After many months now of adjusting and refining my treatment it has improved greatly.

Binders are helpful, zeolite, activate charcoal and I use red root to help move the dead toxins out through the lymph system.

Since you are on the herbals you can specifically target your worst symptoms per Buhners recommendations.

Also are you doing the full Buhner Bart protocol, for me I have decided that he put all those herbals together to work in synergy. They support and help different things in our bodies.

I believe they work better ,together so I have gone that route.

So sorry about your symptoms and I wisjh you the best of healing, Jo
Posted 10/16/2017 10:47 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks for the reply and for your kind words smile

I just started taking red root about two weeks ago! Do you know if charcoal is significantly better than chlorella as a binder? Now that I'm on the full protocol I will start referring back to the book and targeting specific symptoms - great suggestion!
Posted 10/16/2017 2:28 PM (GMT -5)
Hi!

Yes, it sounds familiar to me. Your timeline is amazingly similar to mine. I've had symptoms since 2009 and also started Buhner herbs in June. I'm trying to do the full bartonella protocol but not quite there yet. Still on tiny doses of some things. I started with knotweed and the supportive stuff first and had some improvement. Mpost nudged me to get more aggressive so I added IHA starting with one drop 3x day. I could feel some slight effects like weird electical head pains, but it would only last momentarily. I started increasing the dose on IHA to 2-3 drops up to 4x day. I found I really liked it.

PROS:
- IHA greatly helped my cognitive and emotional function.
- felt calm and peaceful
- greatly reduced OCD/ADD

CONS:
- worsening joint and muscle stiffness, which had improved before
- worse foot pain
- worse constipation (intestinal muscles are not moving right)

I think it's a herx. I decreased the IHA drops today to help my body not get overly toxic, but I don't want to cut it out completely. I know it's doing something. I actually felt great the first 2 weeks with the IHA. It was only after that when I got worse. I might have increased too fast.

The herbs in IHA are broad spectrum and hit a lot of stuff - bacteria, viruses and more. I get the feeling it's working on a lot of pathogens we may not even know we have.

Maybe lower the dose of IHA and sida if you're on that one. Buhner did say that Sida Acuta can make symptoms worse, including fatigue. The stuff you say is worse makes me think Sida. Maybe reduce the amount of Sida for a while until you feel better again.
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