Dry Fasting for Lyme

I have a very reputable friend who has done a 9 day dry fast for Lyme - cured. And she was bad - not for the faint do heart, but the science is real. Has anyone heard likewise?

Thank you! Oh I’ve read as much as one can on Lyme. This is the only solution I’ve heard of with real curative possibilities.

Filonov.net pretty much describes it all.

Drastic times call for drastic measures unless you want to puddle around with a chronic illness. It’s essentially pushing your body into a state is ketosis. Inflammation needs water. From there your cells release inter cellular water, and become small incinerators for disease. Your body responds by killing off bad cells and disease first while stimulating stem cell growth. Apparently has profound impact and this person was witness to multiple MS patients walking out fine. It has changed this woman’s life and a miracle per her words - she was suffering for 5-6 years.

I’m strongly considering yet nervous given not a lot of runway prep for the clinic session.

This would be incredibly dangerous - and remember, we are not healthy to begin with. The goal is to heal, not put our lives at further risk.

/www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-long-can-the-average/

Mbajda - many people do get into remission with 'safer' protocols.

Herbals and/or antibiotics Plus supportive modalities (Rife, HBOT, etc.etc.) are working for many.

It's one thing to fast - and not eat...but not drinking water for 9 days is dangerous.

Lightlife said...
I finished a 27 day juice/ lemon water fast three months ago and am on day four of another now.havent read the info but am sceptical something that can survive freezing temps and adverse conditions of all kinds is not goi g to be able to survive. The idea of no water or anything is unappealing. Doing well w herbs currently.

how did you feel after your 27 day fast?

A couple of things I would like to make very clear - this could be a touchy subject, so let's all be careful to keep out heads cool. And, of course, this would NOT be for everyone that has Lyme. Those points are things we should all be able to agree on.

As far as fasting, I would also like to say that if a person has adrenal issues - all bets are off on fasting. Adrenals need a fairly constant source of nutrients. I'm sure there are other specific times where fasting would not be safe as well.

Barring those things, fasting can be very healthy - but we have to remember we DO have those things going on either obviously or 'subacutely' in our bodies because of the types of infections that brought us all here.

Withholding nutrients to try to 'starve' the bacteria has already been tried. When I first started out here on healingwell, that was the standard way of doing things. Oh - Lyme uses manganese instead of iron? Don't take manganese! Until it was discovered that what was already known about the need for manganese in the body was shown to be true - Lyme patients started having issues because they needed that manganese even more so:

"Manganese helps the body form connective tissue, bones, blood clotting factors, and sex hormones. It also plays a role in fat and carbohydrate metabolism, calcium absorption, and blood sugar regulation."
/www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/manganese

So, by taking away what the bacteria needs to survive only means that we are denying the body even more of that nutrient, which only leaves the body even more out of balance, and unable to deal with not only Lyme, but other things as well.

So, we know that denying the body the nutrients that the bacteria needs to survive doesn't help us out, so it's best to do what we can to help the body function at it's highest levels - because what we do know is that most healthy bodies do not go on to develop the infections after being bitten by a tick, mosquito, spider or whatever else carries these bacteria. Their bodies can fight it off with either little or no intervention. My own husband healed from Lyme with only the standard 4 weeks of Doxy (400 mgs daily) because it was caught early enough, and he was healthy enough.

As someone having significant digestive issues, I deal with gas, bloating, constipation and nausea a lot, and what has helped me the most is using cistus incanus. It's broadly antibacterial, broadly antiviral, and antifungal, as well as having biofilm busting abilities. So there's no way to tell exactly what about using Cistus has helped the most, but there's no doubt that it's made major differences in how I feel.

I have been taking whole leaf stevia powder and it seems to be managing my Lymes well. I refused to go the antibiotic route.
The problem is it is still there. I am apathetic, tired all the time, and craving sugary crap.
So I looked into fasting. Dry fasting to be exact. There is some fascinating information coming out of Russia. Dry fasting is different than water fasting. It is more than going into ketosis and trying to "starve" lymes. It actually destroys damaged cells and mitochondria. It destroys diseases. And when the fast is over a massive amount of stem cells are created to repair the body. That is what is so interesting.
I have done two 15 hours, a 20 hour, and one 22 hour dry fast. I believe it is helping.
It is not to be undertaken on a whim. You need to prepare. You wouldn't attempt a marathon the first time you go running.
I have fasted ( 36 hour water fasts) once a week for two and a half years ( never helped my weight much).
I am excited to try a longer Dry fast, but I will be working up to it. Carefully and slowly.

Post Edited (Carrim) : 1/15/2019 7:09:47 PM (GMT-7)

Hi. I didn't bookmark my research but the Russian Dr. Is Dr. Sergei Ivanovich Filnov. He has written a book with a less than perfect translation. Many of the articles I have read list him and his research. I wish I had kept track of my research. A quick search has not turned up the articles I remember (there was one on rats and radiation that was very compelling).
I'm not sure what I even typed in on searches. I spent hours reading up on various articles.
I hope this is a little helpful.

Post Edited (Carrim) : 1/15/2019 7:45:16 PM (GMT-7)

You gotz the Lymes, we gotz the cure!

1-800-KIL-LYME

Absolutely not

Thanks Dude that abides for the memory jog.

sebreg said...
I'm also trying out intermittent fasting at the moment. So far so good. I may ease my way into longer fasts, like you say you have to work your way up like marathon training!

Anecdotally I've heard good things about fasting, plus there seems to be a growing body of research documenting various benefits. But I don't think I could have done a longer fast at my sickest, I think my health was too precarious at that point.

Hi, sebreg:

Fasting, like many things, is making a resurgence in popularity.

If you're not already familiar with Valter Longo and his Fasting Mimicking Diet (FMD), you can find his book on Amazon.com (and elsewhere) and learn more about his FMD on YouTube and on the Web. The FMD kits that are available for purchase (proceeds get donated to charity, none go to Longo) allows one to still consume food, but it's very low calorie -- I think no more than 800 calories per day, for the five-day plan.

https://prolonfmd.com
https://www.amazon.com/valter-longo/e/b00k17z408
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=valter+longo
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=valter+longo

Good luck in your fasting endeavors.

Dude

Sure thing, sebreg. I hope you find some useful information from the above links.

As for me, when I was following a Paleo-/Low-Carb-ish diet (which I no longer follow), that's when I learned about intermittent fasting. Though, looking back, it was more like time-restricted eating. I would eat during a six or eight hour window, and not eat for the remaining 18 or 16 hours, respectively. This became quite easy.

Several years ago, I completed a water/broth fast for seven days. I feel lucky that I was able to complete it without much issue, considering I was really quite uninformed on the matter. As such, I carried on normally with my life -- going to work, running errands, doing some mild exercise. In hindsight, I was lucky I didn't have any problems. I should have planned to do the fast during vacation and stayed at home in an environment of complete rest. I was younger, healthier, and think I was really lucky.

A Naturopath I know has suggested a clinic that performs medically-supervised water-only fasting. It's done in their clinic/spa and includes daily monitoring by staff doctors. This is very appealing to me, but it's a bit pricey and I've now been unemployed (my choice) for just over a year. Of course, if I were to go back to work and have income, then I won't have the time to get away. It's too bad all of us aren't independently wealthy.

Anyway, over the past couple of years, I've abandoned all named/branded diets (i.e. Primal, Paleo, Low-Carb, Vegetarian, Vegan, etc.) and pretty much eat whatever I want. Also, I had also stopped any sort of intentional fasting or food restriction, due to the disordered eating habits that those diets tend to cause in some people.

Within the past few weeks, I started following an online course designed to help folks suffering with fatigue. It's a six-part course spanning eight weeks and covers a variety of topics. One of the modules (dealing with circadian rhythms, which I had been completely ignoring) discusses the benefits of time-restricted eating and the resulting actions of autophagy, stem cell rejuvenation, and more.

So, I have been working to get myself to bed earlier and not eat within three (preferably four) hours of bedtime and then wait to have my "break fast" meal until I'm actually hungry. This means no more grazing throughout the day and snacking in the evenings. Previously, before bed, I might eat half a banana and a teaspoon of almond butter. Or, perhaps a slice or two of turkey. But, as much as possible, I'm hoping to stick to a defined feeding window. If I get hungry outside my feeding window, then I'll eat. Then, during my next feeding window, I'll be sure to eat more food.

That's my plan, anyway. We'll see how it goes. I'm not going to undereat, restrict macronutrients, or abuse myself. I intend to be well-fed/-nourished and live like a reasonable person.

In closing, fasting can be any of the following:

- Delaying breakfast by an hour or two
- Skipping a meal
- Not eating snacks between meals and having meals 4-5 hours apart
- Skipping two consecutive meals (dinner and breakfast, for example)
- Not eating for a day and eating normally the other days
- Not eating for two consecutive days once per month
- Eating only during a defined feeding window each day
- Undergoing a medically-supervised water-only fast in a clinic

Perhaps doing some combination of the above on a rotational/seasonal basis would be a way to keep it from becoming boring or monotonous. If choosing to do any of them, I'd be sure to discuss with your doctor.

Best wishes
Dude