Hi Guys, I started this protocol about 2 weeks ago, I didnt expect much to be honest but thought it couldnt hurt so Id give it a go.

2 weeks in and im feeling significantly better than I was before starting it. My head/ thoughts are much clearer I can concentrate better and for longer and the internal vibration I had seems to have gone away.

Now of course theres no way of know how much of this is purely down to this protocol as I am taking many other things but I feel enough of a change since starting this that I wanted to post about it.

Spanish said...
Hi Guys, I started this protocol about 2 weeks ago, I didnt expect much to be honest but thought it couldnt hurt so Id give it a go.

2 weeks in and im feeling significantly better than I was before starting it. My head/ thoughts are much clearer I can concentrate better and for longer and the internal vibration I had seems to have gone away.

Now of course theres no way of know how much of this is purely down to this protocol as I am taking many other things but I feel enough of a change since starting this that I wanted to post about it.

I think it is smart to think of all this objectively.

I too objectively think, "okay was it this or was it something else since I'm doing a bunch of different things".

The way I look at it is, I was doing "a bunch of things" prior to this and I didn't see significant improvement, so it's a big coincidence when the large strides in recovery (from these particular symptoms) didn't happen until I did this WITH my overall lyme treatment.

Then you couple that with the fact that it's backed by science which points to how it should aid in relief of these symptoms.

Thinking through all of this, I have to give this protocol significant credit. The science is there and then most importantly the results are there.

But to go back to what was stressed many times in this discussion, relieving a symptom and addressing the underlying root cause are not the same thing, with this protocol being the former.

I equate this protocol similar to Buhner's philosophy on L-Arginine. L-Arginine isn't going to "attack" or "cure" lyme itself, however it's a much needed compound that your body needs that lyme excessively depletes. So you supplement accordingly so you reduce the ill-effects of a severe lack of L-Arg. It doesn't "solve" the lyme problem but it helps reduce certain symptoms.

ccc-better said...
We've been doing a lite version of this approach for a few months now:
25mg huperzine every second day; ALCAR every morning
+ Buhner herbs for bartonella twice daily (includes EGCG)

The real changes since introducing the huperzine have been
1. increased baseline energy
2. decreased brain fog (better cognition overall, actually)
3. ability to occasionally go out for a short walk.

So thanks dacarte3 for bringing such a simple treatment to us all.

You are very welcome.

Yes congitive improvement is the most well known ability of Huperzine A for the various reasons discussed.

Don't forget about Alpha GPC Choline. The reason why I say this is because of it's ability to improve the brain to muscle nerve communication, which then improves muscle contraction and strength.

This could also aid you the ability to maybe take longer walks and be more mobile.

I'm just very very happy this has worked for me, Lapis, and few other people (including your self) that have shared their improvements in this conversation.

The reason is because there's two different kinds of lyme symptoms. One's that are not time sensitive and others that are time sensitive.

A lot of the more "run of the mill" lyme symptoms while disturbing and unpleasant in their own right are not "time sensitive". One can treat lyme holistically and simply "wait". Just be patient and "wait" for improvements and things to get better.

But then there's also disturbing and unpleasant lyme symptoms that are definitely time sensitive. When one greatly start to lose their cognitive function (Alzheimer like symptoms), or severe muscle weakness that really affect the ability to move, and muscle wasting and deterioration (ALS like symptoms).

These latter symptoms can't "wait" because they greatly, greatly, inhibit a person's ability to live a decent quality of life. People have lost connections with family members, spouses, and their jobs because of these more debilitating lyme symptoms.

LLMD's telling those of us that are suffering from these "time sensitive" symptoms to just keep treating lyme and "good luck" was not could enough for me. We are too advance in the world of biological science to simply accept these symptoms. A more surgical and pin point treatment for these lyme symptoms are needed because they are time sensitive, they can't wait.

So I just hope we found it here.

Bump, yes I'm curious about this too.

We've also been on this routine for a few months now.

The main gains have continued to continue
1. increased baseline energy
2. decreased brain fog (better cognition overall, actually)
3. ability to occasionally go out for a short walk - this has now translated to leaving the house to visit relatives without substantial PEM, but still not up to daily exercise

In addition, I think we can add:
4. improved appetite
5. improved fats and oils tolerance in meals
6 maybe better sleep quality

We tend to have one supplement-free day as we've found the body seems to be happier that way. Maybe it needs a day to let the liver and other detox pathways just have a rest.

We have also noticed that we need to keep on top of zinc. We're also taking adenosyl B12 and methylfolate/folinic acid (as per a protocol on Phoenix Rising), K2, as well as the Buhner bartonella herbs.

dacarte, I haven't seen your other post, but that 'adult acne' you mentioned higher up in this post is characteristic of zinc depletion - it's diagnostic in this household. Methylfolate depletion makes it look worse.