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Posted 3/18/2018 12:32 PM (GMT -5)

mpost said...
this bacteria is designed to create persistent infection in deer which used to also live tens of thousands of years ago in a world without human pollution and pristine... Chances we can resolve this with just diet or fasting are close to zero. If that were the case, the world of mammals would have gotten rid of lyme millennia ago before humans polluted the environment. But it has not... Fasting is what animals do naturally because they dont have McDonalds.

.....what can help is anti inflammatory diet. not eating for many days, especially if you take antibiotics or herbals (which also kill flora) is a bad idea......

but we wont get rid of lyme by not eating...

Agree. Perhaps I should have mentioned in my post that this question was not aimed at eradicating lyme, but more health in general, like a reset button (in my case after lyme). This place is a great resource for health questions in general.

I seem to be in remission, but have autoimmune despite eating "clean". However, diet did somewhat improve my autoimmune per labs and some symptoms, I'm just looking for more things to try. Apparently fasting (longer than I want to try) kills old dysfunctional autoimmune cells.

After 30 or maybe 40 years of infection recovery from damage is slow. One other thing fasting does is use up "stores" of whatever you might have to much of. Since lyme creates imbalances of some things in us, fasting might be a good post lyme practice. I would think excess gut candida die off might occur as well, not sure.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/18/2018 11:41:40 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/18/2018 1:32 PM (GMT -5)

countingstarsx said...

The Dude Abides said...

astroman said...
I always thought fasting was water only, didnt know of the variations.

I might have beer fasted for 24 hrs when I was 19, dont think that counts though..

hahahaha - Hey, fasting is fasting...

One other thing, I also have all the videos from last year's "The Fasting Summit." Here's a listing of the titles.

/www.dropbox.com/s/s9lchxeegdeindx/Fasting-Summit.jpg?dl=0

If any look interesting, let me know and I can upload some to Dropbox. I might need to do just a few at a time, as there's about 18.5 GB of material.


Would you mind uploading a few for me too?

I'd be happy to do so. Do you have any particular ones in mind?

FYI: I have a couple of free Dropbox accounts and each is limited to 2 GB in size. As shown in the screen capture linked above, some of the videos are quite large. Perhaps I can find a way to convert them to a lesser resolution/file size.

Nevertheless, if you see any videos that are of particular interest, just cite the speakers' names and I'll upload them and post some follow-up links for you to view/download them.
Posted 3/18/2018 1:58 PM (GMT -5)

The Dude Abides said...

countingstarsx said...

The Dude Abides said...

astroman said...
I always thought fasting was water only, didnt know of the variations.

I might have beer fasted for 24 hrs when I was 19, dont think that counts though..

hahahaha - Hey, fasting is fasting...

One other thing, I also have all the videos from last year's "The Fasting Summit." Here's a listing of the titles.

/www.dropbox.com/s/s9lchxeegdeindx/Fasting-Summit.jpg?dl=0

If any look interesting, let me know and I can upload some to Dropbox. I might need to do just a few at a time, as there's about 18.5 GB of material.


Would you mind uploading a few for me too?

I'd be happy to do so. Do you have any particular ones in mind?

FYI: I have a couple of free Dropbox accounts and each is limited to 2 GB in size. As shown in the screen capture linked above, some of the videos are quite large. Perhaps I can find a way to convert them to a lesser resolution/file size.

Nevertheless, if you see any videos that are of particular interest, just cite the speakers' names and I'll upload them and post some follow-up links for you to view/download them.

I'm not computer savvy enough to know how to convert KB into GB, but I was interested in several and have a feeling it will be too much for you to upload. I wonder if there is another way, does compressing files in a zip file make them smaller? Probably not.

At any rate, I will list the ones I am interested in and put a star next to just a few I would be most interested in. If its too much work, no worries I can just research another way. smilewinkgrin

Guide to Intermittent Fasting
Intermittent Fasting and Cyclic Feeding *
The Mindset for Success with Fasting
Can Fasting Help Emotional Eating
The Emotional Healing Side of Fasting *
No More Chronic Fatigue and Digestive Issues *
Breatharian


The Emotional healing one is really interesting! I hope it goes somewhat in depth, because I know how those summits can be with just surface level information and then suggestions to spend a bunch of money on something to learn more. I've never gotten over the elated feelings that I had at the end of my fasts. I was on top of the world! I've been studying homeopathy lately, and actually have changed my lyme treatment to 100% homeopathic and have learned a lot about how my emotions have impacted my health over the years. I would love to learn more about how fasting could also help me grow and heal in that way.

Thanks so much!
Posted 3/18/2018 3:27 PM (GMT -5)

countingstarsx said...
...I will list the ones I am interested in and put a star next to just a few I would be most interested in. If its too much work, no worries I can just research another way. smilewinkgrin

Guide to Intermittent Fasting
Intermittent Fasting and Cyclic Feeding *
The Mindset for Success with Fasting
Can Fasting Help Emotional Eating
The Emotional Healing Side of Fasting *
No More Chronic Fatigue and Digestive Issues *
Breatharian

The Emotional healing one is really interesting! I hope it goes somewhat in depth, because I know how those summits can be with just surface level information and then suggestions to spend a bunch of money on something to learn more. I've never gotten over the elated feelings that I had at the end of my fasts. I was on top of the world! I've been studying homeopathy lately, and actually have changed my lyme treatment to 100% homeopathic and have learned a lot about how my emotions have impacted my health over the years. I would love to learn more about how fasting could also help me grow and heal in that way.

Thanks so much!

*** Updated: 3/18/2018 at 5:25 PM EDT ***

Okay, here you go:

bit.ly/2FTlAjk
bit.ly/2HLGly9

NOTE: If you have the room on your hard drive, you may wish to download them, in case Dropbox happens to delete them at some point.

A few other notes, related to your previous post:

- 1 KB = .001 MB (thus, 1,000 KB = 1 MB)
- 1 MB = .001 GB (thus, 1,000 MB = 1 GB)
- 1 KB = .000001 GB (thus, 1,000,000 KB = 1 GB)

Also, compressing the videos would likely reduce the file size a bit, but the size difference would be insignificant. It's a valid idea and a good question, though!

Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 3/18/2018 3:25:30 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/18/2018 4:10 PM (GMT -5)
I love eating. Sadly, I don't have many options related to certain pieces of my health situation. Though, what I can eat, I eat a lot of. Low-starch vegetables have become my best friends. They're not much for calories, but the bulk is nice, and I quite like the taste of them now.

Though, I've been concerned about leaky gut for some time. It's been a thing for me. Chemical sensitivities, reactions directly tied to what I eat. It was much worse for a time, and then got somewhat better after liquid diet, pureeing foods, and lots of supplements for gut health.

Thing is, I started eating more. More frequently. Not even hungry. It's just a pleasure-seeking activity, and I knew that all along. I knew I was just sabotaging myself. Thank God I didn't revert back to eating more "harmful" things, like sugars, heavy processed foods, etc. Still, I worry the mass amount is still damaging to my GI system. It gets no breaks.

All that is to say that I'm looking into fasting to do just that, give my gut a chance to rest in between meals, as well as whatever other benefits. Like astro said, I haven't found much in relation to it and Lyme, but I have seen a few people on other forums saying they engage(d) in it.

Years ago, there were times I'd try to starve myself out of depression, hopelessness. I remember after about 12 hours I'd start getting these aches, restlessness, irritability. Before that, worsening of the hopelessness, no motivation, stuff like that. I don't know if it's a yeast/mold thing, bacterial, or a combination. Things are hungry, not just myself.

Anyway, to the people who do fast, how do you manage to keep on the weight? I'm seeing people talk about doing broth for a couple days, fasting for 18 hours, cramming their meals into a 4 hour stretch. I don't get that. What's your caloric intake look like?

Age, activity level, genetics, being an individual, that comes into play, but still. I drop weight so fast when I don't eat over, say, 2200 calories in a day. I don't know how I'd do that in 4-6 hours without eating like 10 tablespoons of oil. I can't get calories from much else but meat, the least carby veggies, avocado, oils. If I could eat carbs, probably.

But, yeah... I'd like to try fasting for more than like 10 hours, but... people already wonder if I eat. Any more weight and I'm gonna get the anorexia looks again.
Posted 3/18/2018 4:53 PM (GMT -5)
NotQuiteAntonio,

In light of what you wrote, fasting may not be for you.

In case you haven't already done so, you may wish to look through Page 1 of this thread and find my post about Michael Klaper and a link to his video on fasting. On Page 1 of this thread, I also mentioned Valter Longo. His "FMD" may or may not be for you.

Either way, I'd discuss any fasting plans with your Doctor(s) - especially if you're already thin. Fasting is more than about losing weight, of course, but there are some people that shouldn't fast. Or, if they do, it should be under medical supervision - as is done at TrueNorth Health Center in Santa Rosa, CA.

Finally, fasting is not an all-or-none proposition. Skipping a meal is fasting. Delaying your first meal of the day by 30, 60, 90 minutes, or more, is extending your overnight fast. But, as you noted, each person is different and their requirements vary. So, again, it's best to discuss with your healthcare provider(s).

Good luck, friend.

The Dude
Posted 3/18/2018 5:26 PM (GMT -5)
I do intermittent fasting. I'll eat dinner at like 7pm and then don't eat again until 11:30am the next day.

I don't do it for lyme reasons specifically. I do it for other health benefits, working out, and burning fat. Which I guess at the end of the day is only beneficial to a lyme treatment.

I also eat low carb.

The combination of both keeps my body in ketosis often. Ketosis is a spectrum though. If it was scale of 0-10 then I'm probably somewhere around 7 or 8. Some people are much more hardcore about a ketogenic diet (and fasting) where they reach for "10".
Posted 3/18/2018 6:11 PM (GMT -5)
I have fasted for one month each year since I was a young teenager -- no food or drink during daylight yours. (Religious fast.) The length of time varies -- these days it's in the summer, so it's about 17 hours long.

I was a couple of days into the month of fasting when I received my Lyme diagnosis last year. I was surprised to feel much better as soon as the fast began -- just *before* starting treatment. (The improvement I noted was in terms of depression.) It might have been the fasting itself, or it might have been the fact that my diet was suddenly much cleaner -- more protein and no time for junk on that schedule. Maybe a sugar issue too? I was eating too much sugar before that.

The month of fasting is coming up again starting in May, and I've been wondering if I'll be able to do it. I guess not on days I'm taking antibiotics, but I wonder if I could get away with fasting on the other days. Need to remember to ask my doctor.

I want to watch those videos -- thanks for uploading them, Dude.
Posted 3/18/2018 6:19 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks for uploading those for me Dude! I will download them when I get home and give them a watch.

On the topic of weight and fasting, I agree with Dude that it isnt for everyone -- if you're at risk of losing too much weight I wouldnt do it unsupervised. Personally, I have weight to spare so I dont need to worry about it.
Posted 3/18/2018 7:11 PM (GMT -5)

countingstarsx said...
Thanks for uploading those for me Dude! I will download them when I get home and give them a watch.

On the topic of weight and fasting, I agree with Dude that it isnt for everyone -- if you're at risk of losing too much weight I wouldnt do it unsupervised. Personally, I have weight to spare so I dont need to worry about it.

Very true.

When I was experiencing wasting symptoms, I would do the opposite. I would eat non stop. And a lot of carbs. 4000 calories a day simply not to wither away.
Posted 3/18/2018 11:37 PM (GMT -5)
Happy to help, countingstarsx and Dahlias. If you want more, after you've watched/downloaded those, either bump this message or flag me elsewhere to get my attention and let me know which others to upload.

Also, there will be a "Fasting Summit 3," starting on April 23, 2018.

/fastingsummit.com

During the event, it should be free to stream videos. (This is when I usually download them.) They will post their speaker lineup, at some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the speakers will be the same ones from prior summits.

I'm not sure if I will bother watching or downloading the next one, as I'm growing somewhat tired of many of the same speakers going from summit-to-summit to cross-promote each other and sell books and supplements. No doubt there will probably be some good information, along with any dreck. Like most things, it's usually a mixed bag.
Posted 3/19/2018 12:01 AM (GMT -5)
Does fasting help leaky gut? Is there a particular type of fasting that is good to heal leaky gut?

I seemed to have developed a gluten sensitivity ever since I got lyme. I was NOT sensitive to gluten at all before my infection. Now, whenever I eat gluten I get a pins and needles / burning feeling all over my body. It is completely gone when I don't eat gluten. I attribute this sensitivity to leaky gut.
Posted 3/19/2018 12:46 AM (GMT -5)

Sheeks175 said...
Does fasting help leaky gut? Is there a particular type of fasting that is good to heal leaky gut?

I seemed to have developed a gluten sensitivity ever since I got lyme. I was NOT sensitive to gluten at all before my infection. Now, whenever I eat gluten I get a pins and needles / burning feeling all over my body. It is completely gone when I don't eat gluten. I attribute this sensitivity to leaky gut.

Yes, fasting can help. But, as usual, the answer is complex. Here's something that you may find helpful:

/www.thepaleomom.com/how-long-does-it-take-the-gut-to-repair-after-gluten-exposure

Personally, I'd focus on trying to establish for sure whether or not you truly have a problem with gluten. At the same time I'm sharing the above link, I'm also skeptical of the mass hysteria over gluten and leaky gut. But, that's just my opinion and I'm not a Doctor. But, I've seen plenty of trends come-and-go.

Of course, there are people who absolutely need to avoid gluten completely. No doubt about it. However, for the other 97% or so of the population, I'm not completely convinced.

Plus, there are lots of people making money on "Gluten-Free" and "Leaky Gut" books, food products, (questionable) supplements, summits, consultations, affiliate relationships, etc. When money is involved, I'm always more cautious.

Again, when it comes to health/illness, a short question often requires a long answer, due to the complexity of everything involved.

Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 3/19/2018 12:00:14 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/19/2018 9:00 AM (GMT -5)

The Dude Abides said...
Happy to help, countingstarsx and Dahlias. If you want more, after you've watched/downloaded those, either bump this message or flag me elsewhere to get my attention and let me know which others to upload.

Also, there will be a "Fasting Summit 3," starting on April 23, 2018.

/fastingsummit.com

During the event, it should be free to stream videos. (This is when I usually download them.) They will post their speaker lineup, at some point, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the speakers will be the same ones from prior summits.

I'm not sure if I will bother watching or downloading the next one, as I'm growing somewhat tired of many of the same speakers going from summit-to-summit to cross-promote each other and sell books and supplements. No doubt there will probably be some good information, along with any dreck. Like most things, it's usually a mixed bag.

Thanks for sharing! I've been joining a lot of those summits lately, but haven't taken the time to watch much because its 50/50 whether or not I will get any valuable information from it. You download them while they are streaming? Do you have a program for that? There was a dental health one recently that looked like it had a few good videos, but I've been so busy with school and other things that I never got the time to watch. Being able to download would be great!
Posted 3/19/2018 11:47 AM (GMT -5)
I did fast at times in the past many years ago. I did one day water fasts. At least one three day fast. Longest I ever fasted was 10 days on vegetable broth and some juice, as well as I remember. That one was actually easier. Something happens in the body at the 3 day mark, but I can't remember exactly what. It's the reason why you feel fine after the third day. I had a book on fasting at the time and was following the advice in it.

I would like to do a 3 day smoothie fast with Brenda's green smoothies to boost my nutrients and see if it would clean out some stuff in my gut. It just takes a lot of work to make them, especially if that was all I would be eating and eating as much as I could. I think that would be an excellent way to start a deeper fast.

Personally, I feel like one day or one meal fasts are pointless and don't really accomplish anything unless you're doing it for religious reasons. I also had a really hard time with water fasts and always got headaches the first few days. One time I was trying to do a water fast for more than one day and got really sick. I'm sure I didn't drink nearly enough water and got dehydrated. The next morning, I could hardly lift my head off the pillow and felt weak and lightheaded. It was scary. As well as I can remember, I got some fluids and promptly broke the fast.
Posted 3/19/2018 12:59 PM (GMT -5)

countingstarsx said...
Thanks for sharing! I've been joining a lot of those summits lately, but haven't taken the time to watch much because its 50/50 whether or not I will get any valuable information from it. You download them while they are streaming? Do you have a program for that? There was a dental health one recently that looked like it had a few good videos, but I've been so busy with school and other things that I never got the time to watch. Being able to download would be great!

How I download the videos depends on the format in which they are presented.

For Example:

In some cases, I can simply RIGHT-click on the particular web page where the video is being streamed and select "View page source (Ctrl + U)" in my browser. I use Google Chrome, but other browsers should have a similar option. Then, one I'm looking at the underlying HTML code, I press the keys "Ctrl" and "F" at the same time to use the "Find" feature in the browser. I search for ".mp4" (without the quotation marks) to search for links to videos. The .mp4 file extension is one (of many) different container formats that stores multimedia such as audio and video.

Here's a working link to a video of Dr. David Jernigan of the Hansa Center being interviewed for the Chronic Lyme Disease Summit 2 from last year. It shows what such a video link may look like:

video.chroniclymediseasesummit2.com/video/David_Jernigan.mp4

When the video starts playing, I RIGHT-click on the video, select "Save video as...," and then download to my computer.

But, different summits use different methods of delivering their video presentations. In some cases, the use of other tools is required to stream/convert the video before it can be saved - which can be time-consuming. And, sometimes, I'm not able to download them.

So, like most things in life, "it depends..." smile
Posted 3/20/2018 12:49 AM (GMT -5)

Serfr said...
i thought herbs were safer, $&@#!! Anyone else fast because they can eat practically nothing anyway? Nope, cant eat that, nope cant eat that...I want to be reincarnated as a Lyme bacteria - nothing can kill me, and the government protects me.
Posted from my spinning bed



Sorry your bed is spinning Serfr

but your comment made me lol earlier today. That would be a nasty thing to live in the next life as, proly survive tho.

Yeah herbs are legit as strong as abx, Buhners protocol herx'ed me intensely for awhile.

And to respond to others on this thread I'm not saying you can kill Lyme n Co with fasting but you can disrupt certain metal channels they use for food (manganese being one explored by Stanford group via Claritin ie. generic Loratidine).

And I just can't eat the stuff I used to without inordinate pain, psychiatric symptoms I mean just a few refined starchy foods set me off, I get wheezy asthmatic from meats and I'm learning to avoid sugar altogether.

I don't know what will reduce inflammation more: strict diet no sugar, take a Claritin (Loratidine), or take a Naproxen Sodium as an Infectious Disease doc told me. Or all three???

Too much easy tasty comfort food is horrible nutrition-wise, and really more of a great discomfort once my body (and the bacteria that rule and seem to reside in it) start metabolizing it. I can't give up mashed potatoes or crackers, and beer kills the pain for a few hours, but ok everything in moderation.

And one last word about fasting: Yes. It works. Intermittent fasting is very safe: think: 18 hours, then eat. It clears the mind. And autophagy yes. I can go 18-36 hours, any longer than that you may need be advised by a doctor.

edit: formatting

Post Edited (borrelioburgdorferii) : 3/19/2018 11:56:26 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/23/2018 7:42 PM (GMT -5)
I would like to fast for a couple of days but if I go too long without eating I get the shakes and get lightheaded. Not sure I could do it. I can go about 13 hours or so though if I just don't eat after dinner and wait until later the next morning. Going all day is another story...
Posted 3/23/2018 8:52 PM (GMT -5)

Raleighgirlie said...
I would like to fast for a couple of days but if I go too long without eating I get the shakes and get lightheaded. Not sure I could do it. I can go about 13 hours or so though if I just don't eat after dinner and wait until later the next morning. Going all day is another story...

I had several months when I was like that too. I have having hypoglycemia bouts, but my doctor didn't believe me. I would not have been able to fast at that time either. Working on my adrenal issues solved the problem.
Posted 3/24/2018 1:15 PM (GMT -5)
I fasted from 6 a.m. to 7:20 p.m. a few days ago. It felt a lot harder on my body than usual, but it did feel good afterward.
Posted 3/24/2018 9:06 PM (GMT -5)
I've just started a modified juice fast. Hoping to go for awhile. I am doing a series of fasts for cleansing and shedding extra body mass I have been carting around from pregs... I completed 28 days this oct. but have had trouble gearing up and maintaining the next round. I do lemon cayanne and a bit of maple for a week then alternate with green and some beet juices..I don't think I am ready for a water fast. Maybe a short one at some point as I just watched a fasting for health documentary and it was really inspiring.

As far as Lyme goes I wont be getting rid of Lyme but hopefully getting healthier so I can be stronger in my
battle against ...
Posted 5/8/2018 9:44 AM (GMT -5)
Hi @The Dude Abides. Very interested in the 2017 Fasting Summit videos. Did you manage to find a place to upload them? Maybe a free mega.co.nz account (it has 50 gb)?
Posted 1/17/2019 11:26 AM (GMT -5)
sandy: - did you notice anything positive other than saving food money lol? I must have missed this old post of mine from March 2018 when you recently brought it up. Coincidentally today I was looking for it with this other fasting posts coming up recently.
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Doing my first intentional fast out of "health curiosity", still on it. My longest solid fast ever at 34 hrs right now, not long at all though. Only did this for about 12 hrs in the past from pure weekend morning laziness.

So...."Solid fasting", only having only thin liquids, ya more than plain water, thus "solid fast". Day off work, not doing much, I can't work if hungry. I need more than water the first time ha ha...

Maybe I cheated with having sugar free Gatorade and some bullion cube clear broth (way tastier than broth in a carton). Never went without solids this long before as I am a eating machine and my stomach is growling.

I tested blood glucose at 32 hours no solids or sugar and it was 79. I dont know what the average person would be.

To some degree I can have slightly elevated glucose above 100 overnight if I consume as much sugar as the average American, so I dont do sugar. I thought this would be even lower than 79, but it shows the liver holds on to sugar stores for use when needed.

I'll be glucose testing throughout the day.

These old posts are confusing when converted to the new crappy "quote sucking" format!!!

he said, she said, who said?? hard to tell
Posted 1/17/2019 5:51 PM (GMT -5)
Im finished with this first fast trial. 40 hours with only clear liquids.

My job can have some physical and and stressful days, so hard to do this when working.

Blood sugar was 77 at lowest, but these glucose tester are not super accurate. I'm hungry ha ha.

I can try a whole weekend starting on a Friday night for more time that could get 55 hrs.
Posted 1/19/2019 12:25 PM (GMT -5)
Interesting blood glucose observation stills days after the short 40 hr fast.

I did continue to take liver and lymph support herbs during that fast. It certainly was not a "liver flush" but might have helped out in similar ways. Ive never intentionally done a "liver flush", maybe I should look into it.

It must have cleared out my liver or lowered the glucose storage cause now my overnight blood glucose is better.......days after. I will monitor to see if this in fact a positive pattern.

Last thing I ate last night was something I avoided for 6 months - 18 grams of added cane SUGAR from two gluten free grain/nut bars. I took no glucose lowering supplements either. 6 months ago that would have made a glucose # of 100- 105 the next morning, but not this time.

Could be my liver detox supps I'm continuing now too. The diabetic forums never talk about liver support supps.
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