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Posted 9/8/2018 7:18 PM (GMT -5)
my greatest of herx comes from stevia - is it worth a try?

well...factual evidence from offical national american medical literature ncbi.gov

so just see for yourself - felt naseous after my first dose of the actual truvia sugar product - still experienting but getting goood results
Posted 9/8/2018 7:30 PM (GMT -5)
stevia increases my anxiety greatly and then afterwards i feel like amazing ! probably a herx but i need more time to see how this plays out - it is from nature after all!
Posted 9/8/2018 8:16 PM (GMT -5)
so yea stevia against burgorferi morphed forms is more effective than lots of drugs - its proven fact - im going to use it no doubt
Posted 9/8/2018 9:13 PM (GMT -5)
Is stevia recommended by Buhner? I don't have the book in front of me right now.
Posted 9/8/2018 9:15 PM (GMT -5)

lymedriven said...
so yea stevia against burgorferi morphed forms is more effective than lots of drugs - its proven fact - im going to use it no doubt

Some llmd’s use stevia as a cyst buster.

I wouldn’t recommend that you only use stevia to treat your infections - but just as part of your protocol.
Posted 9/8/2018 9:39 PM (GMT -5)
Dr h mentioned it in his video that he cured 200 cases in 2 months with 200 mg of dapsoneother dr having same results the protocol will be published in dec he said stevia works
Posted 9/8/2018 9:56 PM (GMT -5)
Truvia has some other fillers in it as well so just be aware that those could be causing a reaction. You can get pure stevia at places like Whole Foods or obviously Amazon
Posted 9/9/2018 12:29 AM (GMT -5)

Noah2112 said...
Is stevia recommended by Buhner? I don't have the book in front of me right now.

Noah2112, you need to watch this video/youtu.be/2qNCuUQPjpc

Dr. H has a phd, been researching lyme for over a decade, has treated 10,000 patients plus. And has a lot of success using a herbal biofilm buster like Stevia with his persister cell antibiotics.

If you'd watch the full video, you'd learn he had success using oregano oil too, which has been shown to be a persister cell killer. So using Stevia together and oregano oil could be a good protocol to try.

Buhner isn't a Doctor, nor has a medical background, he's an author of a Lyme Disease book.

This is his position on biofilms, he calls biofilm a hysteria. Despite of the recent research that has come out through lab work done by Dr. Sapi, Dr. Lewis and John Hopkins research on both persister cells and biofilms.

And despite being there's 550,000 fatalities each year are attributed to these biofilms in the US
/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5821197/Applying-tea-tree-oil-extracts-surgical-tools-kill-deadly-bugs.html

Stephhen Buhner said...
I am not a big fan of the biofilm hysteria that is common among the lyme community right now. ALL bacteria form biofilms. It is just a grouping of bacteria together in one location and the formation of a kind of rigid structure, similar to coral formation in the oceans, that they use to protect themselves. This is just ONE of a great many mechanisms bacteria use to protect themselves from immune responses or antibacterial substances and so on. It is no more dangerous or important than the bacterial ability to use efflux pumps to remove antibacterial substances from their cells or to use the immune system itself to hide from assault. Most herbal medicines are effective against biofilm formations just as are most immune systems. A biofilm may slow down effectiveness of immune response or herbal antibacterials but it does not stop them. It is not the terminator of bacterial protection. Biofilms have been around for eons and plants and immune systems have developed mechanisms for dealing with them. I would not worry about them as of being of particular importance in becoming healthy.

Posted 9/9/2018 12:44 AM (GMT -5)
Note:

Not necessarily a herx if you need to "run to the can" after ingesting Stevia though.

Many of the non-lyme general population have a stevia gut allergy, this is goggleable.
Posted 9/9/2018 7:54 AM (GMT -5)
if stevia is useful in lyme treatment, do we really know for sure what brand...i remember reading sapi's research a few yrs back...she tested nutramedix, now brand and another....but if i recall did she specifically say which was which is her research ( i dont think she did)...i use now brand in my detox teas and lemon water, mainly bc its cheap and not sugar, with the possible added benefit that its useful in this disease...i think everyone assumes the nutramedix one is the one that graded the best...but can anyone show me where sapi ever revealed this?
Posted 9/9/2018 9:30 AM (GMT -5)
The news about natural remedies, herbal, plant or otherwise, like Stevia are encouraging for lyme n co recovery...

However...I have to echo what others have said here about additives, and some are half cane sugar blends, and I think Walmart uses sucralose which are is questionable if not outright inflammatory and bad for many diseases.

Most people are fooled by the packaging and advertising; sadly that if it says "Stevia" anywhere, people think oh that's the good stuff. NOPE.

I also have read about certain additives that reduce caking can be harmful as well (anti-caking agents).

Yeah, I'm looking for pure Stevia, liquid drops or a certain brand I used to get, it's like the #1 packet seller on Amazon. Reading Amazon reviews can sort some of this out. Sadly, that stuff is probably more expensive, but hopefully goes a long way with natural sweetness, and possible health benefit.

I'm pretty darn sure Stevia in it's pure form, is SO much better than other artificial sweeteners that are "scientifically rumored" if not proven to cause neuronal cell death, I think it's saccharine or aspartame, sucralose isn't much better.

Sorry for the downer and Stevia impostor, additive and sugar facts!

Xylitol is also a much better alternative, you can buy candies and toothpaste that are made from it.

Call me too careful but I also use flouride-free toothpaste because I sorta need to hold on to my IQ points as they seem to have diminished (if you've heard flouride blunts intelligence, lowers IQ).

Anyhoo, the people I live with buy the wrong stuff all the time. Of course it's cheaper but how important is your health to you?

Also I like to say Science is fact, not fiction, too!

edit: Having said all that: The BioFilm Busting properties of Stevia are promising and exciting!

Post Edited (borrelioburgdorferii) : 9/9/2018 1:16:37 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/9/2018 12:31 PM (GMT -5)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008SJTKUG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Stevia Herb, Green Powder Organic Frontier Natural Products 1 lb Bulk

I have been using this for about a half a week. So far so good
The white versions of store bought Stevia does not work for me.

The NutraMedix Sweet Herb does work, but it is extremely expensive.
The Stevia Extract Organic Now Foods 8 oz Liquid, which is $20/week, also works very well. But it ends up being $80 a month. Now Foods version absolutely KILLS my itch within 30-90 seconds around 7pm-9pm. If I could afford the Now Foods version (on top of all the other herbs I could take) I would do it.
I tried taking just ethanol (whiskey) and it isn't the alcohol doing it. (I also tried whiskey with crushed cloves -- this also does something but is totally different than stevia. If I am at a social event with alochol I'll be always asking for whiskey with crushed clove, btw taste horrible but appears to be a medicine/method of action against lyme to me, off topic)

The green powder version seems to be working, but it only been a half a week. It could be my confirmation bias or placebo effect, but the NOW FOODS version is definitely not a confirmation bias/placebo effect.

Everything is working so I am not going to play Mr. Scientist and figure out what is doing what. I am also taking a half dozen other things, and again, I am not going to do the process of elimination right now because I am symptom free. I am not even qualified to determine these things. If it works, I am going to keep doing it. White stevia does not work.
Posted 9/9/2018 3:45 PM (GMT -5)

astroman said...
Note:

Not necessarily a herx if you need to "run to the can" after ingesting Stevia though.

Many of the non-lyme general population have a stevia gut allergy, this is goggleable.

True.

I have that happen sometimes when I first start taking xylitol (diarrhea) but it is only on the first day or two.

Not sure it’s an allergy because it doesn’t persist.
Posted 11/7/2018 6:56 PM (GMT -5)
Stevia only affects Lyme in vitro, it does not actually kill Lyme. If you react to Stevia it is likely you are just sensitive to it.
Posted 11/7/2018 7:25 PM (GMT -5)

jb1994 said...
Stevia only affects Lyme in vitro, it does not actually kill Lyme. If you react to Stevia it is likely you are just sensitive to it.

It’s used as a biofilm buster.
So it can release spirochetes
Posted 11/7/2018 8:20 PM (GMT -5)
some research needs to also look into NAC+Spirulina, with Stevia

If Stevia busts the persistor or biofilm or whatever, then NAC and Spirulina clean them up and prevent them from re-forming from my experience. I said here before I had massive plaque teeth problems and googled "plaque cure" or something and came across NAC which is used in a lot. I had some, but before it would make me sick. So I never used it. So then a year later I tried it as a way to stop plaque while taking Stevia and Spirulina. I think it prevents the re-formation of the bio-films and presistor cells and Spirulina flushes out the unused ones.

if you look at some of the microscope video of lyme on youtube it looks like the biofilm is actually dead spirochetes. I wonder if the antibiotic kills them, then the deadones sworm together to create the film. Perhaps they are broken cells and spirals weaved together to create a protective shell on still-alive spirochete. Then the still alive ones keep growing inside of the protective shell/biofilm/persistor cells. That was the model I used (btw just made it up, not a scientist). And the Stevia breaks the protective shell, so that the antibiotic/immune system and get in. And NAC mops up the broken dead ones so they can't reform. And the Spirulina binds onto whatever else the NAC can't. That's my totally-made-up theory. So I recommend all three.
Posted 11/7/2018 8:24 PM (GMT -5)
I took stevia and it did nothing. I felt zero difference in the amount of herx or anything else.

It may have some effect on borrelia burgdorferi in vitro, but the oral bioavailability is so low that it's basically useless as a treatment for Lyme disease.
Posted 11/7/2018 8:31 PM (GMT -5)
I heard that stevia taken orally doesn't really get past the gut. Is that true? I personally never felt anything from stevia either way.
Posted 11/7/2018 8:37 PM (GMT -5)
Did you two take the green whole leaf version? It taste really bad.
Posted 11/7/2018 10:11 PM (GMT -5)
I took Nutramedix stevia, the same stuff used in the in vitro study. It did nothing.
Posted 11/7/2018 11:05 PM (GMT -5)
If stevia indeed did anything, it would have to be taken at such large doses it would probably kill your tastebuds. As I said studies were done in a petri dish, which is not accounting for the complexity of the digestive system.
Posted 11/8/2018 1:20 AM (GMT -5)
A friend who saw Dr J was told he should absolutely not use Stevia. He didn’t remember why.
Posted 11/8/2018 11:39 PM (GMT -5)
Another Stevia note. I read that if you are allergic to ragweed then you should watch for same from Stevia, something about same family of plant ??
My llmd uses it for biofilm busting, only the nutramedix tho.
I didn’t sneeze it up but i did have increased herxing in the beginning.
Stopped it for now trying to figure out where the returning headaches are coming from. He had me on two Benadryl every night for two years but stopped it, says studies show that’s a bad.
Fun!
Posted 11/9/2018 12:13 AM (GMT -5)

Village Crazy Lady said...
Another Stevia note. I read that if you are allergic to ragweed then you should watch for same from Stevia, something about same family of plant ??!

Good to know - I don’t think that has been mentioned on the forum before - unless I missed it.
Posted 11/9/2018 5:43 PM (GMT -5)

sebreg said...
I heard that stevia taken orally doesn't really get past the gut. Is that true? I personally never felt anything from stevia either way.

https://rawlsmd.com/health-articles/can-stevia-treat-lyme-disease

Stevia does indeed kill Borrelia in vitro but it seems as if Stevia is not absorbed through the intestines limiting it's effectiveness.

There seems to be conflicting literature (surprise! surprise!) on Stevia though.
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