bvt thread - Part 2

insomniaaa said...
Yesterday I had my 4th or 5th BVT session.
I've tolerated the previous sessions quite well.
I've been getting 2 stings per session on the shoulders for some time now. Not very regularly I must admit. Last time I got 3 stings and tolerated it quite well. Only a minor herx.

OK so yesterday I got 3 stings from 3 different bee hives. Not sure how smart that was.
Anyways I supposedly tolerated all 3 stings and felt great that evening.
Went to bed quite late but slept pretty tight until 8am ( thank you bees) . Suddenly jumped out of bed with lots of pain, fatigue, weakness. Throughout the whole entire day I felt like crap, as if I'm becoming sick if that makes any sense lol. It definitely wasn't a typical herx reaction. Morning temp was normal but evening temp is slightly elevated at give or take 100° F
Which actually is the highest body temperature I've achieved in years I think ( you know the darn Lyme, bartonella & co are always suppressing my fever). I usually only reach 99.5° F ( the typical bartonella temperature AFAIK).

OK so the 2 sting sites on the shoulders look as expected. Slightly reddish without any significant swelling or pain. These 2 sting sites have been stung before unlike the forearm.
The 3rd sting site on my forearm on the other hand looks very swollen and dark red. It doesn't really hurt much, only a bit of itching. Should I be worried?
Overall I've been feeling less miserable this evening when compared to during the day. The extreme fatigue and weakness have subsided somewhat as well as the body aches. Body temperature is currently at 99.5°F .
Did I get reinfected by a mosquito or something or was the bee sick? Was the stinger infected with some kind of antibiotic resistant streptococcus strain or whatever?
Why did I feel so sick today? I felt perfectly fine yesterday and the day before. Yes unfortunately I was also bitten by a darn mosquito last night but what the hell happened to the incubation period? 12-24 hours?! Oh come on! You've got to be kidding me.
Am I out of the woods yet or will this develop into yet another nasty chronic infection?
Or was the whole episode just some sort of reactivation of my preexisting disease(s) that was triggered by the BVT?
Thanks for answers.

persistent fever may be viral or something ,don't ignore ..but the wallops n welt are normal ...in really infected areas i would get golf ball lumps for a few days in the beginning...i started bvt in the winter and the fevers were welcome to the cold but make sure u dont have a uti or something else ...herbs like lomatium may help if its viral

Well yesterday and today the flu-like symptoms are pretty much gone.
Temps yesterday were 98.6° F in the morning and 97.7° F in the evening.
This morning my body temp seems to be a bit on the low side at 97.16° F
3rd sting site on the forearm is still a bit swollen but not as red and hot anymore.
The flu-like postponed reaction basically only lasted a day. So weird.
Thanks for the advice. I'll try some Lomatium.
OK I'll get some basic blood work done just in case my WBC count is off balance.
Perhaps the apitherapist accidentally stung a very powerful acupuncture point on my forearm and the whole thing was just a badass monster herx directly from hell? Holy crap though. I think I'll wait a couple of days or weeks until I get stung again.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 12/28/2020 3:19:16 PM (GMT-7)

Thanks bluelyme.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 7/23/2018 3:08:30 AM (GMT-6)

Bump for sebreg

Lyme is decimated by venom (see sapis paper ) all 3 forms and biofilm!...and apicomplexians like babs fall easily ....however tootie and i believe blo/bart and other gram neg proteobacteria may need herbal or pharma help for the two cell walls ...some on forums say yes other no barts still around w/bvt alone ...probably species dependent.

bee in balance by amber rose is a good book , charles mraz literally wrote the 1st one ....i'm working on some you tubes tutorials of microstinging , klinghardt has a little info on injectable but if you want to see some documents about constituents i can dig em up ...

bump to ask hoagie to post your recent experiences with bvt ; in a detailed sting by sting litany

I have not yet tried BVT but it is on my list of top treatments to try, as it seems like it might be one of the few that actually cures Lyme without the constant remission risk later in life. Please correct me if I totally misinterpreted that.

I also just happened to have an idea and I wonder if anyone has tried it.

To my knowledge DMSO helps other treatments penetrate deeper. So I was wondering if anyone has ever tried BVT + DMSO topically at injection site. I'm not sure if this would be super dangerous or not. But I'm wondering if someone who has worked up to like 10-20 stings daily has tried doing 1 sting + DMSO and seeing if it makes the smaller amount of stings more effective.

Pretty basic question for you guys- is bee venom hematoxic or neurotoxic? Im curious because things like bartonella and babesia infect our blood but they, along with lyme often invade the nervous system. Does the venom have to interact with the particular system affected?

I’m strongly considering beginning BVT.. is this safe to do along with antibiotics?

One of the best things about bvt is the price. In the summer or if you live in a warmer climate the bees are free. All you need to buy is your epi pen.

To get your bees mix some sugar water (1 part sugar to 1 part water) in a shallow dish and set it outside. The bees will quickly find it. Take your tweezers and catch the honey bees you need. Make sure to only get the honey bees as wasps and yellow jackets will also show up for the free lunch. The bees that you get in this manner will be the older forager bees at the end of their life cycle.

If you haven't been stung before or recently, start out in a controlled setting but once you realize that you tolerate it well quit paying for bees. We spend enough money on treatments. Bees and Japanese knotweed are two effective treatments that we can do for free.

I have been doing bvt along with abx and herbals for 17 months now. Just stopped abx. WhIle I am not healed I have made very good progress with the worst of it
behind me now (hopefully). Mainly just twitching, joint pain(worst symptom now) and tinnitus left. Take advantage of a free treatment if you can. It's not fun but if it heals you it's worth it.

I just started doing it because I am a beekeeper and I was getting stung on a regular basis for years and knew I would tolerate it well. Already had epi pens on site. I have been doing 10 to 15 stings every other day, with occasional unintentional stings in between from working hives. I sometimes miss a session here and there, especially this time of year because I have to disturb my hives to get the bees and if it's super cold I try to wait for a better day for them. Even in the winter though on flying days (around 45f to 50f) you can attract bees with the sugar water. Be safe, give it a try but not without epi pen, liquid benadryl, and some pepcid on hand and in a controlled setting if you are unsure how you will react the first time. Like the rest of the treatments start slow and build up.

I posted this before but thought it was worth reposting because I know the financial hardships this disease can cause. If you can save money anywhere do it because you will need it for other treatments or supplements or whatever.

Hoping 2019 brings us all the relief we so desperately need and we get our lives back.

I also think you should hold off on the bvt for awhile - since you are just starting DrJ’S protocols.

(Kentucky and Aerose)