CBD Oil?

I think it is a better alternative than some of the pharma out there. If it helps with pain/anxiety/insomnia then I say go for it. I didn't notice much from regular cbd oil, but cbd with thc helps me with pain/insomnia/anxiety. I'm trying not to use it too often, if it was earlier on in my health journey when symptoms were killing me I probably would've used it every day. For now I'll probably take it once a week or so.

CBD oil has made my anxiety worse. I've only tried a couple products that were high CBD and super low THC. I've read that it can take some experimenting to find the right combination/strain for a person.

CBD oil is the best pain supplement/drug on the market in my experience. Doesn't do damage to your liver or kidneys longterm, can take as much as you want, doesn't seem to have any serious side effects. The results are instant after taking it, it's one miraculous herb. And great thing is, you don't get high compared to THC oil.... Which I still like, but I like taking that before going to sleep.

Not all CBD oils are created the same and now many of the top CBD oil companies are just calling it hemp oil. Why? I suspect due to figuring out you must include more than just the single cannabinoid CBD, you must include the terpenes and other cannabinoids like CBDa, CDDn etc... Some CBD companies were putting out products with low concentrations of CBD and not including other cannabinoids and terpenes, resulted in a lot of patients complaining that they didn't feel anything and the CBD products weren't working.

I have gotten rid of most my joint pain and inflammation from Chronic Lyme, but once and awhile my lower back flares up. The only thing that seems to work is CBD oil! And it works instantly for me...

I have taken Turmeric and Fish Oil in early stages of treatment, these helped a little, but it isn't instant and they aren't anywhere near as potent as CBD oil. I like CW Hemps Charlotte Web, little high in price though, I also like the local company near me called Special FX Labs that makes a cheap CBD oil product.

Sadly, a lot of the CBD oil tinctures were pulled from the dispensaries in the past year because of the Police constantly screwing with the dispensaries. I'm really starting to think that the police are basically henchmen for the rich, I have a lot of respect for Cops, but when they are going after these marijuana dispensaries, when pharmacies are killing millions with opioids, that tells you something with the government/country you live under. Thankfully recreational marijuana just got improved in my own state, hopefully these dispensaries will begin to open up again and stock their shevles with both CBD and THC oil tinctures.

I know that many of these CBD oil tinctures can be bought legally online now, even from some vape shops and nutritional stores like Better Health. But some are very costly, like CW Hemp Charlottes Web at Better Health, runs around $40. And a lot of the brands vape shops carry locally are off-brands, I don't trust at all, like that Plus CBD Oil brand. Maybe they changed their ingredients recently, but few years ago when I tried it, didn't work at all for me.

Dispensaries always were cheaper in price and they carries some legitimate brands with extreme potency. I've heard others say this as well. And some actually include little more THC over the legal limit, so it increases the efficacy and potency of the CBD oil. A little bit of THC complements CBD quite nicely, just enough where you get that synergistic effect, but doesn't get you high.

Both these supplements, CBD and THC from the hemp plant have turned the market upside down. There's a lot of companies who distribute other stimulants like alcohol, cigarettes, and even food like local grocery stores in my area, who tried to lobby the politicians in my state to stop these supplements from getting approved. As they know, it's going to hurt their businesses tremendously. But I suspect, some companies will be making the transition over to carrying CBD and THC products.

sebreg said...
I think it is a better alternative than some of the pharma out there.

You think it's better, lol, quite an understatement. There's so many ruining there livers and kidneys with pain pills, along with millions dieing from overdosing on opioids. The only thing you'll probably hear about hemp is when some nut like Nancy Grace demonizes it on national TV saying it breeds violence or some child smoking it. lol How many have died from opioids or killed other families members while being intoxicated from alcohol, why isn't she reporting on that?
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/24/nancy-grace/nancy-grace-says-pot-users-shoot-each-other-and-ki/

There's a lot of human beings that just can't put two and two together, can't do comparisons to the other alternatives on the market, it's very easy to get influenced by someone like Nancy Grace on television, who is employed by corporate media. Very much corporate propaganda, aka Fake News... Watch independent news on YouTube and you'll get more truthful news.

I wish I had access to CBD/THC oils earlier in my treatment, they weren't legal for me years ago. Many in the Lyme community should take advantage of these new hemp products, including the new biofilm busters and persister cell antibiotics, slowly slowly catching on with a lot of patients. But understand why some say they don't work, gotta find a reliable brand, potency is everything, even with biofilm busters like Stevia. Neither supplements nor LLMDs are created equally in this world, many fail to understand this!!!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/6/2018 11:20:57 AM (GMT-7)

Girlie said...
I tried the CBD oil and it didn't help me.

I have read testimonies on retired LLMD E. Murakami fb page - of people getting their lives back by using the CBD oil (lyme patients)

I had high hopes.

Question asked by KentuckyOConnor was for pain/anxiety, not to cure Lyme Disease and help get your life back.

I think Dr. Murakami had high hopes because of the miraculous healing powers of hemp for inflammation and pain, anyone who thinks that a single herb is going to cure lyme disease is naive, considering it took Mitomycin C(Chemotherapy) to eradicate all borrelia forms in vitro through the John Hopkins study.

However, I found CBD and THC oil very beneficial while being off antibiotics for 6-7 months, to help clean my system out of antibiotics and give my liver/kidneys a break for pharmaceutical antibiotics, while holding the infection back for the time being. Without hemp, I wouldn't have been able to go off antibiotics for that long, no doubt in my mind!

1000Daisies said...
I tried the CBD oil (from hemp). I don't generally have an anxiety issue, but the CBD oil caused me to have a serious anxiety issue. I hated how I felt on it. As soon as I went off of it, those anxiety thoughts went away. I'm certainly not wanting to try it again any time soon.

And yes, I realize how ironic this is given that it's commonly recommended for treating anxiety - but caused me anxiety! I talked to a naturopath about it, and she did say that happens to some people and was likely related to my adrenal fatigue issues. Interesting. :|

The anxiety you get from CBD oil usually passes, as your body builds up a tolerance to the herb... So does with THC, sometimes it'll sprout back up again from time to time, but the other alternative is being on pharmaceutical pain pills which can lead to liver or kidney failure dealing with Chronic Lyme Disease long term. I find that a little anxiety is mild side effect compared to the serious side effects from opioids or even Xanax long term.

My personal opinion on some of the people getting anxiety from being CBD oil is that they see a first sign of side effects from the plant, they get off of it, due to the decades of demonizing surrounding the plant.

This same thing happens with Xanax folks, your body is new to the drug, so it can lead to paranoid or even suicidal ideation in the beginning, then they pass because your body develops a tolerance to the drug. As does a lot of pharmaceutical drugs, patients will go back to there Doctors and complain about the side effects, then their Doctor usually tells them, stick it out for another week or two and see if the symptoms pass, they usually do.

I think people have this subconscious safe feeling when they get prescribed a drug from their Doctor, versus the other thing like CBD hemp or THC marijuana from a dispensary, which has decades of demonizing surrounding the plant due to propaganda. I still think there's a little bit of a mind game going on with people with this plant and many are still terrified about it, especially religious people.

Remember folks, this is the Devils Drug, this plant will "make you listen to Satanic music. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes" Yes, there was terrifying propaganda surrounding the plant for decades.
https://medium.com/@usnewsbeat/racism-weed-jazz-the-true-origins-of-the-war-on-drugs-8e6fd4ef813

Look, I had my experiences of dealing with anxiety and paranoia while being on CBD oil in early stages, even the real stuff, THC oil. Even ate too much of a THC laced edible cookie, then tripped out. But I stuck it out, let my body adjust to the plant, just as most patients do with pharmaceutical drugs, because they're prescribed by a Doctor and your Doctor claims they are safe. After taking oils for a few months, even a few years from now, all I get is a nice relaxing feeling from them.

But hey, I know THC oil isn't for everyone due to the high. But I think a lot of these complaints about CBD oil, people need to stick it out a little longer, they don't realize the minor anxiety feeling will pass as your body gets used to the herb and develops a tolerance.

They used to say smoking marijuana killed brain cells, come to find out, it may actually heal your brain, considering the study Real Sports did on NFL football players with CTE.
https://youtu.be/accrej2l7c4?t=360

Bottom line, both CBD and THC cannabinoids might be doing something to the brain that we don't quite understand as of yet. Some people don't like the deep feeling you get when you start thinking about death and other things. I still get these deep thinking feelings to this day with THC oil and smoking marijuana, some demonize these feelings and label them anxiety and paranoia because it makes you look at life a different kind of way, thinking deeply about how long your parents might be around for, pollution, and maybe even analyzing yourself.... I think cannibinoids, especially THC, makes you aware of things you weren't aware of before, maybe even thinking about a memory where you might of done something you might not should of done. Some people have demons in the closet and they flip out a little while being on either of these cannabinoids.

Again, is this plant for everyone, no! Do I think it's an incredible alternative to the other pharmaceutical drugs out there like Xanax for anxiety and Opioids for pain, yes. But I think there's people out there, no matter how much you tell them this plant is safe, they still think it's the demon, and that everything the Doctors prescribe are safe. Especially when they abide to what everything their political party says or their religion!

To me, it's downright frightening thinking of the Lyme Disease patients that take pharmaceutical pain pills long term for this disease and don't think of the repercussions down the road. Very few lyme patients know how long it can take to treat chronic Lyme Disease, we're talking 5 years, 10 years, even 15 years for some patients. Amy Tan just said she's finally symptom free from Lyme it's been like 20 years. Many have this ideology they're going to get cured within a few months or a couple years and there's even plenty of Lyme Literate Doctors lieing and telling them this. This Disease is very much like AIDs people, due to persister cells, you better prepare your mind for the long haul!!!

I hope everyone reconsiders this miraculous plant, as I known others who've had bad reactions to it in the beginning, but now use it as their main source for pain and anxiety.

There's also studies surfacing, that CBD and THC might help prevent brain wasting and autoimmune diseases like Parkinsons, Dementia, Multiple Sclerosis, and Alzheimers... Which we all know the relation of borrelia to Parkinsons & MS, some lyme patients contract the disease and develop permanent autoimmunity like Michael J Fox and baseball player Ben Petrick, who was featured in Under Our Skin documentary.

If anxiety is the only feeling I get from these hemp oils and they help prevent autoimmune disease and longterm liver/kidney damage compared to opioids, SIGN ME UP PRONTO!!!!!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/6/2018 7:23:06 PM (GMT-7)

Charlie said: "I think people have this subconscious safe feeling when they get prescribed a drug from their Doctor, versus the other thing like CBD hemp or THC marijuana from a dispensary, which has decades of demonizing surrounding the plant due to propaganda. I still think there's a little bit of a mind game going on with people with this plant and many are still terrified about it, especially religious people."


I can't say I'm one who has a safe feeling getting prescribed a drug.... That's why I still haven't started the Lyrica that Dr. J has prescribed.
Yes, I do the abx...because I feel it's what i need to get better...but I don't want the 'extras' .

CBD oil was legal years ago here.

Holy Mary!
I am so much better in the neuro zone now but I just spaced out on the books written in this string lol.

Charlie have mercy on the folks here who greatly need the short version of your detailed info/opinions.

Love your enthusiasm tho man!

I’m part of cbd forum on Facebook. Many people for whom CBD didn’t work when they tried it, they were recommended to let it build up in their system and stay on it for at least a month and try different dosages. For some it might take even 3 months before it starts working. If still no response then try a different brand. This is the big one! It seems like different brands work for different people. Could be just your chemistry and what clicks with your body. Many people have had to try 3 brands to find one that works. I know it gets expensive but once you find the one that works and the dose that helps you, you’ll be glad that you tried. It’s a lot of trial and error with brand and dose. I ordered my first CBD tincture on Groupon but it’s taking forever to get here.

1000Daisies said...

Fortunately, there are other alternatives than pharm pain pills, opioids, or Xanax. Not everybody turns to those.
There is also a very big difference from "little" anxiety and "serious" anxiety.

There are some people that take alternatives, but I suspect majority of people still take pharmaceuticals. I was on high dosages of Turmeric and Fish Oil in my earlier stages of treatment for 4-5 years... But as I later learned in treatment, nothing seem to compare to CBD oil for serious pain like back pain and sciatica.

I notice my body seemed to develop a bit of a reaction to Turmeric and I had to lower the dosage, Turmeric is also still a great alternative, just not effective as CBD, nor as quick working.

Funny, my girlfriend just spotted this on Facebook, supposedly she was using both CBD oil and bud.
https://www.rxleaf.com/post/7882/cannabis-has-helped-reclaim-my-life-from-lyme-disease?fbclid=iwar0lfvhf7avz2fxlb0sjhr3s0pxe0p4zmvzak1h6mezpd8sp8ailcygimka

"It’s been one year off opiates, and treating my pain and Lyme with CBD oil and bud. I wish doctors would have recommended it to me in the beginning instead of throwing anti depressants and painkillers at me."

So you might want to try mixing the CBD oil and maybe Rick Simpson Oil together Girlie see if it helps you, just like you said. I've heard that numerous times where you should mixing the two cannabinoids together to improve their effectiveness.

I think those of us that have certain coinfections like Babesia or other things going on, simple cbd oil or rick simpson oil may not work, but I have occasionally heard stories of some lyme patients claiming cannabis really helped them with the infection, not just pain and anxiety.

Maybe I'll try again myself, getting off the antibiotics and rotate between essential oils and THC/CBD oils see what happens....

Inspiredby3 said...
Many people for whom CBD didn’t work when they tried it, they were recommended to let it build up in their system and stay on it for at least a month and try different dosages. For some it might take even 3 months before it starts working. If still no response then try a different brand. This is the big one! It seems like different brands work for different people. Could be just your chemistry and what clicks with your body. Many people have had to try 3 brands to find one that works. I know it gets expensive but once you find the one that works and the dose that helps you, you’ll be glad that you tried. It’s a lot of trial and error with brand and dose. I ordered my first CBD tincture on Groupon but it’s taking forever to get here.

Yep, very similar to how Turmeric works, where you should let it build up in your body, let the cannabinoids bond to your receptors and body adjust to some of the minor side effects in the beginning. Yeah, I suspect the everbody's body is different due to chemistry and the way your body may respond.

KentuckyOConnor said...
the cbd does not make me feel spaced out.. only very sleepy! which is fine by me! I need the rest. unfortunately I cannot take CBD with any amount of THC, I spoke to a few people in customer services as well as view labs before taking because of my job. Id love to try it with the THC.... wonder if it would make my depersonalization worse?

Antibiotics also make me very sleepy at times too. Some say it can be due to the toxicity from herxing, I never got very sleepy with CBD oil though, with THC oil yes, because that's what Indica does. If marijuana is legal in your state, you could try some Sativa THC oils a try, shouldn't make you sleepy but give you energy. But some people do get a head high and headaches from the Sativa plant, as I've gotten this headaches here and there from the Sativa strains.

Yeah it be worth a try mixing the two together, I never had any side effect, maybe some minor paranoia that comes and goes rarely. But some say CBD brings down the high of a THC, which from my experience it kind of does.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/7/2018 12:23:02 AM (GMT-7)

Girlie said...
I may try marijuana...maybe mixed with the cbd oil...or just on it's own. I won't smoke it...I hope they still make the topical pain roller. I'd rather use it topically than ingest it...if it works.
I will get it from a dispensary in my Province.

Yes don't smoke it, if I had more money, I would just take rick simpson oil or even vape it, which I used to do, so much healthier. My girlfriend buys flowers all the time, so I just smoke her stuff from time to time.

There's a lot of patients that swear by the THC creams as well, but that had a weird feeling to me, it just kept me way to high for too long of time, but I could see it working for someone with serious arthritis in their hands.

Girlie said...

There were a few testimonies from people who got their lives back taking just the CBD oil.... I was following the discussion on retired LLMD EM's facebook page in 2016.
Not just pain relief either...actually fully functioning.

I guess so, I heard of a couple, but there must be more than I thought. One things for sure, there's an endless amount of strains to choose from, also considering sativa, indica, and hybrid. I know that Canadian Rick Simpson himself claims to use the Indica dominant strains which are most potent for cancer. Maybe it's the same thing for some of these CBD oils.

I kind of claimed that it's just one plant, can't expect one plant to cure something like Chronic Lyme considering all the different antibiotics LLMDs rotate in their protocols these days, but in truthful there are quite a few different strains of the hemp/marijuana plant that are laced with different cannabinoid combinations. So it's quite possible if you find the right strain of marijuana plant for your particular infection or infections, you may make some good progress. Cure, I'm still skeptical of... But hey, maybe some have reached remission just like some have reach remission with herbals, just think it's rare.

That girl stated she found a few strains that worked for her Clementine, Tora Bora, Animal cookies and Sour diesel....

I've noticed being on different strains of marijuana night before, sometimes I wake up feeling a million bucks, while other strains not so much, lol. Sadly some strains go out of stock at the local dispensaries and its hard to find them anymore for the time beings.

https://youtu.be/pwcinb-bzik?t=784
I remember seeing a video where group of dispensary owners traveled all the way to Africa to find a particular strain of marijuana, this particular strain had a high potency of the THCv cannibinoid and it would be beneficial for diabetics. It would be nice for this strain to become available in my own state, because my girlfriend would benefit from it considering she's diabetic, but so far haven't seen this strain pop up. One of the dispensary owners died after traveling to Africa and contracting Malaria, quite sad... RIP Franco Loja!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/7/2018 1:01:24 AM (GMT-7)

Girlie said...
Charlie - sounds like you know a lot about marijuana. he he

Actually not that much, just watch a lot of documentaries, read a lot... Just started using hemp in the last 4 years or so...

I find anything surrounding science like plants, animals, quite interesting. This was also an interesting video where microbiologists went out to caves find rare benign bacteria to form antibiotic compounds to fight drug resistant bacteria.
https://youtu.be/oms5kiy0fcu

Article written up a few days ago...
https://merryjane.com/health/how-cbd-made-my-struggle-with-lyme-disease-infinitely-more-bearable

"CBD oil liposomes, which act as carriers that transport CBD efficiently throughout the body"

Maybe this was posted already, good article though on CBD and Lyme.

I've also heard good things about Kratom, but heard it is a little more addicting. Either way, both are very much safer than opioids.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/7/2018 12:04:51 PM (GMT-7)

woke up at 10 tonight (I work graveyard at a prison) feeling the best ive felt in 4 months..... I really think the CBD is handling all my inflammation.