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Posted 3/19/2019 4:10 PM (GMT -5)
Anyone have experience with this? I am dealing with 9 months of nonstop heavy flow period that is kept in check every month by acupuncture. If I didnt have a week of acupuncture each month I would just bleed continuously. Close to blood transfusions. This happened after I was given glutathione to detox liver. i had a brain injury from benzo withdrawals and it must have triggered a part of my brain (glutathione has been known for its use in parkinsons disease) that releases hormones and stops ovulation. I was subsequently given birth control for a month to try and stop the bleeding which further deteriorated my health and didnt even stop bleeding. Now I have a bunch of phlegm and histamine issues i didnt have before. So its either hormonal or immune system caused a lot or bugs to make more biofilm.

So this is where cistus incanus comes in. I’m hoping the tea wont have much of a neurological effect or hormonal effect, as I am afraid of it making the bleeding worse at any point. Its enough blood every 2 hours to fill 2 long overnight pads. But i’m hoping the tea will address the inflammation/biofilm/catarhh mostly. Anyone know how cistus incanus will affect a body as a whole?

Post Edited (tootsieroll) : 3/19/2019 3:15:32 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/19/2019 4:44 PM (GMT -5)
I have no experience with cistus incanus, but I wanted to say that I understand how awful the bleeding and hormonal issues are, and how complicated they are! Cistus incanus is supposed to "prevent embolic blood" and bolster circulation, according to the few websites that talk about it, which to me sounds like maybe it thins the blood, and thus could increase bleeding. I'd really look into it, honestly. Small doses of the basic Buhner protocol for Lyme thinned my blood so much I was developing big lumpy clots under every bruise, taking 8 weeks to heal from a bruise, getting bruising I could not figure out the source of, and experiencing very heavy periods (12 ounces of fluid loss per day). And given the potential of cistus incanus to cause herxes and bust biofilms, I'd worry that you would be further destabilized neurologically and hormonally (especially adrenally) by the strong effects. Of course we have to keep trying stuff, so do what feels right to you! I just tend to be very cautious, especially when mast cells are out of whack (histamine) and hormones are not being produced properly. Wishing you all the best! Sounds like a promising herb. I look forward to hearing more about it.
Posted 3/19/2019 6:33 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you so so so much for the reply! This is very interesting info. With that being said, I do have one big question mark. I know there are plenty of women drinking Cistus Incanus tea for Lyme and most likely have hormone issues due to Lyme also, but does the tea make them more susceptible to heavy period bleeds? You would imagine many would come back with a warning declaring people should stop drinking it cause it made them bleed profusely. Hmm..very curious about this and anyone else have anecdotal stories?

Due to that one month use of birth control, i am worried it made me more estrogen dominant and maybe depleted my vitamins and also ruined my gut which in turn inflates the bad bacteria in my gut (sibo, candida). My guess is the bad bacteria in my gut can cause havoc with my hormones too?? Was hoping to address the bacteria problem with the Cistus tea. I already had gut dysbiosis and major candida to begin with.

Wow you had such adverse effects from herbals! did it all go away when you stopped? I am worried about destabilizing myself also. How strong do you think the tea effect is? I was going to try maybe one sip a day or every other day? keep the rest in the fridge.

Post Edited (tootsieroll) : 3/19/2019 5:39:24 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/19/2019 6:59 PM (GMT -5)
Just wanted to say that you can have your estrogen and progesterone tested.

One month of birth control - how many months ago?
I don’t think that would raise your estrogen levels very high for very long.
Posted 3/19/2019 7:44 PM (GMT -5)
Hi girlie, I took very high doses for a month about 7 months ago. It caused me to become delirious and hot flashed like I was burning inside out (to which the gyno said "meh some ladies react that way to the pill"). I thought it may have caused major estrogen dominance so I stopped the pill and took some DIM and CDG but instead it made my hot flashes even worse. I had my estrogen and progesterone tested at a random time in cycle and my estrogen was at 227 and progesterone was at like 5. But I didn't understand why DIM made my hot flashes/anxiety worse. Then I realized that even though numbers show I am estrogen dominant, I may still be very low in both hormones. Hence I had menopausal symptoms when I took DIM. So essentially the pill shut down my own production of hormones while it filled me with synthetic hormones which doesn't register on tests. When I started healing from coming off it, my body naturally produced more estrogen than my progesterone but still didn't produce enough hormones to be fertile? This is all my hypothesis given the symptoms. My health is a wreck from benzo withdrawals which I have been healing from for 5 years.

Post Edited (tootsieroll) : 3/19/2019 6:47:59 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/19/2019 8:37 PM (GMT -5)
I just read you had a brain injury from benzos. Are you talking about the horrible withdrawal you experienced or something else that happened?

Have you not recovered yet?

My father got messed up on Ativan and Zopiclone (horrid sleep aid)
He never recovered - it ended up being the start of his demise.
I’m still both very angry and sad about it.

Stupid doctors.
Posted 3/20/2019 12:16 AM (GMT -5)
Oh no I'm so sorry to read about your fathers situation. Yes I am also irate at the damage caused by the hands of doctors. They know nothing about the candy they shell out. I believe they should never prescribe anything that they wouldn't take themselves. Many many peoples lives have turned upside down due to benzos and sleep meds. Most do heal though but carry their battle wounds. One came back after 12 years on the forums and they finally felt the end of withdrawals.

Yes my brain injury was caused by benzo withdrawals and i'm still healing from it. Silly thing is, I only took it for 2 months for sleep and it's taken me 5 years since last dose to almost see light at the end of the tunnel. I was healing from it very nicely at 4 years until that naturopath decided to give me glutathione to detox my liver but it had a cognitive effect too. My body just doesn't like anything synthetic and extracts that are super potent and concentrated. Thats why I want to stay with botanicals like Cistus. Now my setback is all due to stupid pharmaceuticals once again, birth control pills and man made supplements. I should learn my lesson by now.
Posted 3/20/2019 12:35 AM (GMT -5)
Just to give an idea of how much I'm bleeding, I may be a bit past the 12 fluid ounce mark. So not sure where to go from here...

Gyno even tried to give me Prometrium which is a natural progesterone and that gave me hot flashes from hell. Taking that only lasted a day for me since it was sooo bad. Progesterone seems to not be the route for me either.
Posted 3/20/2019 1:17 AM (GMT -5)
When lyme first hit me, my periods suddenly stopped at the same time. My dr tested my estrogen level and it was almost nil. At that time I didn’t know I had lyme - I was healthy one day and then boom my life was turned upside down.
With all the symptoms I had, my Dr was testing me for everything - my estrogen test came back with almost nil estrogen.
She gave me the Estrogel (bioidentical estrogen topical gel) to try and it came with Prometrium (oral capsule)
After a short time on it (maybe two weeks?) I got vibrations in my thoracic area - that were really strange and freaked me out.
I was told to increase it - and the vibrations got worse so I stopped taking it.
Posted 3/20/2019 1:20 AM (GMT -5)
You must be tired with all that blood loss.

Have you thought about getting a second opinion from another Gyno?
Posted 3/20/2019 4:49 AM (GMT -5)
Cistus incanus is incredibly potent, please be careful. That is, if you've got the authentic tea. I have been drinking it for months (it said cistus incanus from Albania on the label), but it was quite light, just a regular herbal tea, I would make a liter or two and drink it all throughout the day. Then I got a batch from Crete, and whoa! It looks different when brewed, darker in colour and somewhat pungent, similar to black tea (but not quite, hard to explain) and I had the most weird herx from it, terrible head pressure that wouldn't stop and heart palpitations, really unsettling.

What you're dealing with sounds terrible.
Are there any herbs with estrogen modulating effects?
I remember reading somewhere that iodine defficiency affects estrogen levels..
https://materiamedicaresource.wordpress.com/category/oestrogen-modulating/

With all the blood loss, you could try eating liver, it will help you with your iron levels and everything.
Posted 3/22/2019 12:12 AM (GMT -5)
Girlie- That's the thing. There's usually an underlying reason for the hormonal imbalance and replacing it with an external source isn't addressing the root cause and can cause more damage. I'm glad you listened to your body. I have booked an appointment with another gyno only so I can get the necessary tests done.My bleeding is here this week and I am pale as a ghost where my lips match my skin. I was close to a blood transfusion months ago but the idea of getting someones blood with potential Lyme in it made me fearful. Thankfully acupuncture stopped it that month and I had enough time to replenish with lots of liver and heme source iron till the next bleed.

Zimica-Yes I read there is a difference in brand! But didn't think it was that bad! I think I will buy the Natvita brand but originally wanted the Biopure one. I'm not sure of the origin of these teas. I believe Natvita is from Poland and Biopure..not sure. Would you mind sharing the brands. Maybe I should start off with something lighter? I was also thinking of just using it as a mouthwash for the biofilm/catarrh in my throat and mouth and gradually move up to drinking a sip a day just to get the feel for it.

Thanks for the reading material, I thought I would give iodine a shot too seeing I am low in iodine and I bought some kelp knots to eat. Then I purchased a freeze dried wholefood vitamin that has spirulina and iodine in it and didn't want to overdo the iodine. I am trying to do this the most natural way I can, hence the Cistus Incanus.

Post Edited (tootsieroll) : 3/21/2019 11:27:12 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/27/2019 7:11 AM (GMT -5)
Sorry tootsieroll I missed your post!
Yes, I used to buy cistus incanus from Poland from a local shop (it said on the label tea was from Albania, it's a mediterranean plant anyway I think). I can't really say it did much, I don't know.
Then I got this one from amazon (I am in the UK) https://www.amazon.co.uk/myteaparadise-rockrose-creticus-infusion-antioxidant/dp/b077wy6n7r/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=cistus+creticus&qid=1553688664&s=gateway&sr=8-4 and the effect was completely different.

I know dr K insists it should be cistus from Sardinia (which is BioPure one) but based on my experience I think this one from Crete that I got works perfectly fine.
I don't think it can harm you if you start slowly, I was really using it irresponsably, because of my previous experience.
Posted 3/27/2019 5:13 PM (GMT -5)

Zimica said...
Sorry tootsieroll I missed your post!
Yes, I used to buy cistus incanus from Poland from a local shop (it said on the label tea was from Albania, it's a mediterranean plant anyway I think). I can't really say it did much, I don't know.
Then I got this one from amazon (I am in the UK) https://www.amazon.co.uk/myteaparadise-rockrose-creticus-infusion-antioxidant/dp/b077wy6n7r/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=cistus+creticus&qid=1553688664&s=gateway&sr=8-4 and the effect was completely different.

I know dr K insists it should be cistus from Sardinia (which is BioPure one) but based on my experience I think this one from Crete that I got works perfectly fine.
I don't think it can harm you if you start slowly, I was really using it irresponsably, because of my previous experience.

.

That's ok! I notice in the information it says it is "100% Cistus Creticus". Is that the same species as Cistus Incanus?
Posted 3/28/2019 4:37 AM (GMT -5)
I don't know, it's all very confusing even on wikipedia. Apprently, cistus creticus is commonly called cistus incanus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cistus_%c3%97_incanus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cistus_creticus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cistus

Dr K is specific that it should only be cistus from Sardinia (there are videos on youtube). My guess was they are all the same plant that evolved slightly differently in different areas (but all in the same climate, Italy, Greece, Albania), so they have to have similar properties, and maybe some slight differences, but probably not dramatic.
I really don't know, and I don't know if cistus could be the thing for your condition in particular.
Posted 3/30/2019 8:16 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Zimica for the extra info. I have to do my research before I make my purchase. I know it won't help my bleeding/hormonal situation per say but I hope it will help the pre-existing Candida/biofilm condition that was exacerbated by birth control pill use.
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