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Posted 4/30/2019 8:37 AM (GMT -5)
My llmd has advised for 7 days on and 2 weeks off. Does this sound about right. Taking twice a day.

Should I continue my herbs when taking this or not?
Posted 4/30/2019 10:16 AM (GMT -5)
all I know it is good at killing stationary/persister forms. I dont have active lyme but my young child age 9 got lyme, I have been treating him with Artemisia annua. 3 days on 7 days off. I myself using it but again it is herb. Based on my study I found herb better then derived version.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106422/
Posted 4/30/2019 10:25 AM (GMT -5)
I assume your LLMD has a reason for that schedule. I took artemisinin twice per day, hours away from anything probiotic, for a couple of months. I definitely continued other treatments simultaneously. I would ask your LLMD to explain the reasons for the dosing schedule if you are concerned about it. Good luck!
Posted 4/30/2019 10:54 AM (GMT -5)

Szabo246 said...
My llmd has advised for 7 days on and 2 weeks off. Does this sound about right. Taking twice a day.

Should I continue my herbs when taking this or not?

The llmd’s all seem to have their own schedule.

What most agree on is it needs to be pulsed.
It should be fine to take with your other herbs -

What dose of Art?
Posted 4/30/2019 10:57 AM (GMT -5)

lookahead22 said...
all I know it is good at killing stationary/persister forms. I dont have active lyme but my young child age 9 got lyme, I have been treating him with Artemisia annua. 3 days on 7 days off. I myself using it but again it is herb. Based on my study I found herb better then derived version.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106422/

Art is generally used to treat Babesia.

You’re hsving your child pulse the whole herb?

Oh - welcome to our community!

Does your child have a lyme dr guiding the treatment?
Posted 4/30/2019 10:58 AM (GMT -5)
I just checked, it doesn’t say on the paper work it’s just says, Super artemisinin- nutricology. I will have to check once it arrives.
Posted 4/30/2019 11:02 AM (GMT -5)

Szabo246 said...
I just checked, it doesn’t say on the paper work it’s just says, Super artemisinin- nutricology. I will have to check once it arrives.

You mean - check what it says on the bottle - or is your lyme doc sending it with instructions?
Posted 4/30/2019 11:06 AM (GMT -5)
He just told me to take 2 per day. Not sure what strength they come in though.
Posted 4/30/2019 11:29 AM (GMT -5)
My child 9 had been treated with Doxycycline for 21 days (Positive lyme test) since then he is mostly fine, but occasional random fatigue and complains about overheating after playing or temperature above 74F (that is it). I find it very unusual so I figured something is still hanging. My regular Pediatrist would not do anything so I have been treating him with no aggression at all since he is mostly better but lacks serious stamina that he had before lyme.
After studying a lot I just focused on two things either Babesia or persisters. I doubt babesia since I found no tick on him when EM rash begin, Babesia can only happen if tick latched for more than 24 hours. I still did not discard possibility of babesai. So I am using Artemisia annua and Oregano oil and that is it. I like artemisinin very much based on mutiple studies without too much worry and with herb I have even less worry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4790293/


Artemesinin Antimalarial 45% 49% 0.10432

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016BE25G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Post Edited (lookahead22) : 4/30/2019 10:33:35 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/30/2019 11:38 AM (GMT -5)

Szabo246 said...
He just told me to take 2 per day. Not sure what strength they come in though.

Mine were 100mg and 2 per day won't do much IMO.

I think I ended up taking 1200 to 1500 mg daily....would need to check my notes.

I took it two or three times daily.

Whatever you do - start low and slowly increase...per LLMD MR
Posted 4/30/2019 12:02 PM (GMT -5)

lookahead22 said...
My child 9 had been treated with Doxycycline for 21 days (Positive lyme test) since then he is mostly fine, but occasional random fatigue and complains about overheating after playing or temperature above 74F (that is it). I find it very unusual so I figured something is still hanging. My regular Pediatrist would not do anything so I have been treating him with no aggression at all since he is mostly better but lacks serious stamina that he had before lyme.
After studying a lot I just focused on two things either Babesia or persisters. I doubt babesia since I found no tick on him when EM rash begin, Babesia can only happen if tick latched for more than 24 hours. I still did not discard possibility of babesai. So I am using Artemisia annua and Oregano oil and that is it. I like artemisinin very much based on mutiple studies without too much worry and with herb I have even less worry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4790293/


Artemesinin Antimalarial 45% 49% 0.10432

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016BE25G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Questions and thoughts that come to mind:

1) How long was your son sick before treatment started?

2) Your son had an EM rash - he was bitten by a tick. ....or some other insect that carried and passed on the infection(s)

3) No, Babesia can happen without a seeing a tick. Often no tick is found. the tick can bite and leave. And the 24 h our rule is b--sh--.

4) I would find a Lyme Literate Dr. who treats pediatric patients....for your son.

A 'regular' Dr will not treat your son long enough and most likely won't cover the confections. (Babesia, Bartonella, etc)
Posted 4/30/2019 12:17 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...

lookahead22 said...
My child 9 had been treated with Doxycycline for 21 days (Positive lyme test) since then he is mostly fine, but occasional random fatigue and complains about overheating after playing or temperature above 74F (that is it). I find it very unusual so I figured something is still hanging. My regular Pediatrist would not do anything so I have been treating him with no aggression at all since he is mostly better but lacks serious stamina that he had before lyme.
After studying a lot I just focused on two things either Babesia or persisters. I doubt babesia since I found no tick on him when EM rash begin, Babesia can only happen if tick latched for more than 24 hours. I still did not discard possibility of babesai. So I am using Artemisia annua and Oregano oil and that is it. I like artemisinin very much based on mutiple studies without too much worry and with herb I have even less worry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4790293/


Artemesinin Antimalarial 45% 49% 0.10432

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016BE25G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Questions and thoughts that come to mind:

1) How long was your son sick before treatment started?

2) Your son had an EM rash - he was bitten by a tick. ....or some other insect that carried and passed on the infection(s)

3) No, Babesia can happen without a seeing a tick. Often no tick is found. the tick can bite and leave. And the 24 h our rule is b--sh--.

4) I would find a Lyme Literate Dr. who treats pediatric patients....for your son.

A 'regular' Dr will not treat your son long enough and most likely won't cover the confections. (Babesia, Bartonella, etc)

My son got treated after 7 days of bite since Doctor's were confused about rash, but when second rash appeared they figuref lyme. I have not considered LLMD because there is nothing to do, as he is mostly in good health and school is going well too. Heat intolerance, random fatigue and top sports stamina are only remaining issue. I am not sure if LLMD can help, he will mostly prescribe more antibiotics but that will be useless I guess.

research is stuck at how to eradicate persisters and antibiotics will do more harm then good, also too much trauma to go Docotor
Posted 4/30/2019 12:33 PM (GMT -5)
The minimum time to treat when there's an EM rash is 6 weeks.

Heat intolerance, fatigue are symptoms. The LLMD will evaluate and no, more abx are not useless.

If the abx are stopped too soon...then chronic lyme can set in...and that is a whole new can of worms.

This is/was an acute infection...it's high success when treated right away and SUFFICIENTLY.
Going chronic - then it's many months to YEARS of treatment.

".....research is stuck at how to eradicate persisters and antibiotics will do more harm then good, also too much trauma to go Docotor"

This is an acute infection...it is not the same as a chronic.longstanding infection.
There is a very good chance of knocking this out now...and it not becoming a protracted, persistent treatment/infection.
A few more weeks of abx is better than the chance of it becoming persistent.
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