Going Herbal - Need advices on a few things

Hello all,
After doing ABX on and off for a year, I've encountered enough issues (elevated liver enzymes, C-Diff), for me to take the decision to go herbal.

I decided to go with an approach based on Buhner and Dr. Marty Ross.

I'd like someone to review if I'm having all the correct herb for a Babesia / Borrelia / Bartonella protocol.
Some herbs are only found in one or the other protocole.. which makes me wonder which one to take.
That being said, combining both, I come up with the following protocol.

Before digging into dosage and brand, is the following protocol legit and optimal:

Borrelia:
- Cat's Claw: M.R and Buhner
- Otoba Bark extract: Marty Ross
- Japanese knotweed root: Buhner
- Andrographis: Buhner

Bartonella;
- Houttuynia: M.R and Buhner
- Sida Acuta: M.R and Buhner
- Hawthorn tincture: Buhner
-Japanese knotweed: Buhner
- EGCG: WHAT IS EGCG? Buhner
- L-arginine : Buhner
- Milk Thistle seed: Buhner

Babesia:
- Sida Acuta: M.R and Buhner
- Cryptolepis sanguinolenta: M.R and Buhner
- Artemisinin: Marty Ross
- Alchornea cordifolia: Buhner

Alxander said...
Hello all,
After doing ABX on and off for a year, I've encountered enough issues (elevated liver enzymes, C-Diff), for me to take the decision to go herbal.

I decided to go with an approach based on Buhner and Dr. Marty Ross.

I'd like someone to review if I'm having all the correct herb for a Babesia / Borrelia / Bartonella protocol.
Some herbs are only found in one or the other protocole.. which makes me wonder which one to take.
That being said, combining both, I come up with the following protocol.

Before digging into dosage and brand, is the following protocol legit and optimal:

Borrelia:
- Cat's Claw: M.R and Buhner
- Otoba Bark extract: Marty Ross
- Japanese knotweed root: Buhner
- Andrographis: Buhner

Bartonella;
- Houttuynia: M.R and Buhner
- Sida Acuta: M.R and Buhner
- Hawthorn tincture: Buhner
-Japanese knotweed: Buhner
- EGCG: WHAT IS EGCG? Buhner
- L-arginine : Buhner
- Milk Thistle seed: Buhner

Babesia:
- Sida Acuta: M.R and Buhner
- Cryptolepis sanguinolenta: M.R and Buhner
- Artemisinin: Marty Ross
- Alchornea cordifolia: Buhner

EGCG is from green tea - an antioxidant I think.

Just an FYI - Buhners Babs protocol is now Biden’s pilosa instead of alchornea cordifolia.

I think Buhner has Artemisinin in his Babs protocol as well -

Sounds like a plan - you might want to look into some support herbs as well.

And - you’re not going to start all at once right?

Personally I like the tincture form - it's easier to control how much you are taking, no bulky supplements to swallow, less messy than powders. As far as potency, I believe tinctures are the most potent, so it's a win-win in my opinion

Powder seem so much of a hassle to me too so that's out. ;-)
Interesting point about the tincture and being able to ramp up the dosage.

Saraeli: The idea of having a mix of all those things in one single bottle sounds like soooo interesting to me. But the issue I have with what I see from the proposed formula is that it contain "raw honey"... and honey is something we're not allowed in the diet

So I guess taking them as individual bottle would be the best... ?

Alexander,

BeKindPls gave good advice.

Just so you’re aware:

- Andrographis can cause hives.
- Artemisinin is supposed to be pulsed.
- Artemisia is the whole herb and doesn’t have restrictions.
- L-arginine can cause flares of herpes viruses including shingles.
- Buhner has special instructions on EGCG in the book. Check the book or search the forum for old posts with details.
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BeKindPls,

I have used various berberines from Montana Farmacy. I believe they were good quality but shipping is very slow. I think they have good cryptolepis but don’t think I tried theirs.

The Buhner website isn’t being updated - so you can’t rely on that - he has changed his mind a few times on Artemisinin - I believe the latest book published says Artemisinin.

And this thread for the latest Babs protocol (Biden’s pilosa)


https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3610969

Alxander said...
Thanks for the precision Girlie.
I've read both thread and not sure it clarified anything to me... ha ha !
Not sure if Artemisis is a good idea or not. :/

Since Buhner website isn't up to date, what is the best online reference I can get about those protocol?

Artemisinin (not whole herb Artemesia) is what Buhner suggests.
But you need to pulse it.

“In the case of this particular herb being used to treat Babesia, Buhner actually recommends the active constituent - Artemisinin.”

If you don’t want to buy his book(s) then I’d say this forum may be the best reference online. As several members have the latest books

I don’t have Buhners Babesia book - not sure if the date is 2015 - but that sounds about right.

I bought mine from Woodland Essence. They are one of Buhners recommended sources.
I also bought from Sage Woman Herbs occasionally if WE was out of stock.

Alxander said...
Thank you girlie and sorry for spamming with questions..
I'm not quite done yet hehe.

I see two different Cat's Claw. "Regular" one and Chinese Cat's Claw.
Which one should I aim for?

Also, considering these are recommended by Buhner, I can safely assume that the quantity he recommend makes sense with the mix found in the bottle, correct?

Don’t worry about all the questions.

The CC is Unicaria Tomatosa (not the other one)
It’s prob what’s considered the “regular” one. It is on the core protocol

You’re buying the individual herbs right?

I take:

Houttuynia - powder
Japanese Knotweed - powder
Cat's Claw - powder
eleutherococcus - liquid

Sida Acuta tincture
Andrographis (pill)
Milk Thistle seed (pill)

The powder is cheaper I usually dump it all in a shot glass of water and let it settle for 10 minutes. Its kinda gross but that only lasts for 30 seconds or so. I feel like I know what Im getting with the powder. Of course it could be ground up dirt for all I know. Ill be starting the CSA tincture when it arrives.

I bought the whole pieces of Japanese Knotweed to save a few bucks that was a mistake. I thought my coffee grinder would be ok with it. It does grind it but about 1/3 of the bag has pieces that are way to big.

Woodland Essence ships to Canada - do you live in BC? If so, Vancouver has a herbal compounding pharmacy that has a bunch of the herbs surprisingly! It’s called Finlandia. Not sure if Finlandia exists in other provinces though. WE is probably your best bet.

Woodland essence ships to Canada

Sage Woman Herbs does as well

... and Green Dragon Botanicals