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Posted 8/20/2019 9:32 AM (GMT -5)
I've had morning anxiety/depression now for a good while. But since starting a monolaurin/olive leaf extract mix, seems things have really gotten bad, emotionally, and fatigue is much heavier. I'm also taking there tea spoons of virgin olive oil each day.

I'm trying to detox more, without overdoing it, with dry skin brushing, citrus pectin and glutathione.

Has anyone had emotional reactions to monolaurin or olive leaf before? Worse Fatigue? In an ugly place right now.
Posted 8/20/2019 12:13 PM (GMT -5)
I think you might be just herxing from the monolauren/olive leaf combo. That would be a good thing. Herxes are harder on the body requiring you to slow down a little to heal.
I have adrenal fatigue one of the symptoms is having difficulty getting up in the morning, the others are higher levels of stress, irritability and more fatigue. There is more and plenty of sites telling you the same things.
Posted 8/20/2019 1:50 PM (GMT -5)
auzzie - Thanks for reply. It seems to really get worse with monolaurin and olive leaf extract. Some treatments have caused some detox symptoms, but those two seem to do the most. Thinking about trying Lymph Drainage herb again.

Emotions and fatigue are usually there, but not like when on monolaurin and olive leaf.
Posted 8/20/2019 1:59 PM (GMT -5)
Maybe reduce the dosage?
Posted 8/20/2019 2:05 PM (GMT -5)
elvin - I've started out lower than was suggested but that is a good idea. I will try even less. It's all a guessing game. Thanks.

Anyone else have a strong reaction to the monolaurin/olive leaf extract mix?
Posted 8/20/2019 2:11 PM (GMT -5)
Hey!

I timidly tried monolaurin once at very tiny doses - took 3-4 days to take the contents of one capsule. I was scared of it. I can’t remember why but I didn’t continue trying it.

I took olive leaf capsules for a good while. The first dose was a doozy, though. The bottle said take 3 capsules, so like a stupid head, I took 3 capsules at one time and at night. Next morning I had a headache and felt awful. After I recovered, I tried again with just one capsule and was fine. Then went to one capsule 2x day. I think it helped my gut.

I would reduce the dosage.
Posted 8/20/2019 5:59 PM (GMT -5)
WBF - Totally can relate to your "stupid head" line. When I first started treating years ago, I did the same thing a number of times. The worst was when they put in a pic line. 30 minutes after the IV Rocephin, I was shaking and shivering. Then in another 20 minutes, my temperature went up to 105.6. I was shaking so much I couldn't hold a phone to call someone, so was lucky when someone came to my door by chance.

It may be the olive leaf causing most. The two are mixed together in a capsule. Even though I took only 3/4 of one dose, I felt total despair and anxiety all three mornings after taking it. I wake up each morning at 8:00 am already with anxiety. Add that on, and it's like a bomb going off in my brain.

I've yet to take a second dose later in the day and feel a bit better by then. It's crazy. Or I'm crazy smile.
Posted 8/20/2019 8:36 PM (GMT -5)
Olive leaf extract gave me a horrible histamine reaction. I did take 3 on my first dose though but that was enough for me to return it.
Posted 8/20/2019 8:52 PM (GMT -5)
monolaurin is my staple supplement
Posted 8/21/2019 9:13 AM (GMT -5)
How has monolaurin changed situation for you, elvin?

I do seem to deal with migraines more last few days. That is main histamine reaction symptom I experience. May take a day off in a couple of days to see if that is what is causing it, jb.
Posted 8/21/2019 9:18 AM (GMT -5)
One more note: I do notice a "fluttering" feeling in my chest after taking the mono/olive leaf mix. Not the heart, but just a strange feeling. It comes with the anxiety after taking it.
Posted 8/21/2019 1:11 PM (GMT -5)
I’ve taken it for almost a year and a half. I got pretty bad herx from it but I just reduced it. It take a long time but it works. I take the pellets by inspired nutrition on amazon not capsules. I now take a maintenance dose but I’m pretty much symptom free with only occasional muscle flutters.
Posted 8/23/2019 7:55 PM (GMT -5)
I understand monolaurin is used for viruses, but what specifically is your monolaurin/olive leaf combo being used to treat? I am taking Lauricidin pellets, but increasing the dose is really slow going. It has taken me many months to get to 18 pellets 3 times a day. The maintenance dose is about 90 pellets a day with a treatment dose being 3 - 9 times that amount. I feel like I have the flu if I increase more the 3 pellets every 2 weeks.
Posted 8/25/2019 4:04 AM (GMT -5)
Well I’m not sure what I have but pulled a tick in 2017 and began classic symtoms shortly afterward. I assume it is Bart/Lyme but I’ve never tested positive. I was so sick I had just accepted that I would die soon because I got no help from my (jackass) dr. I researched for months and tried many things but monolaurin is the best thing I’ve used. You can probably just use a measuring spoon one you get to a certain point. I hated counting the pellets after a while. I take a teaspoon a day at least.
Posted 8/25/2019 10:44 AM (GMT -5)
I'm with you on herx from it, Elvin. It's not as bad as when first started about 10 days ago, but as I take more, it seems to come back.

The LLMD I see said the monolaurin and olive leaf extract will work on bacteria and viruses. I take a combined pill that has the mono and olive leaf in it, along with humic acid and a probiotic. There are 550 mg of monolaurin, 350 mg of olive leaf extract, 250 mg humic acid and 25 mg of lactobacillus rhamnosus.

Am now taking it twice a day, along with Argentyn 23 (sliver) twice a day, Theralac and Truflora probiotics and enzymes (rotate one each day), a herb mix with Japanese Knotweed, sida acuta, houttuynia. Finally, LDN at 1.5 mg to start.

I've asked questions for so long about what I am taking, I've finally just started taking what is prescribed without questions. The LLMD I've started back seeing is one I trust, and he took the time to look into possible interactions with my kidneys. He explains which each product is supposed to treat.

As I always have to do, I started out with low dose at slowly moving up, not at a fast pace. Waiting on Armin Labs tests to come back. The multitude of other blood tests he did locally still show high EBV and Brucella.

Have adapted to the monolaurin/olive leaf better, but still tired with low-grade fever late afternoon each day. To detox, I use citrus pectin, glutathione and charcoal. Sometimes rotate, and on some days all three.

After so many years of this, I had gotten to the point I did not trust what the naturopath was telling me as they did not take kidneys into consideration. Also seemed unprepared for results of blood tests and would miss some results. Have decided to just put my trust in the LLMD.
Posted 8/25/2019 11:14 AM (GMT -5)
RW,
As I said in earlier post, I have had a wicked time increasing dose of monolaurin, but failed to say what symptoms I get with die-off/histamine reactions. (I could not tolerate Olive Leaf at all) You asked about Mono and olive leaf specifically, but the following can relate to any supp I take that causes die-off. I can get such overwhelming feelings of hopelessness and depression. There have been times in the past I had thoughts of suicide with suicidal ideation. The fatigue can be incapacitating. I can have parathesias in hands and feet, and the list goes on. I had to back up on doses, increase the doses incrementally while also focusing on adrenal support and chelation for heavy metals. You mention detox, but you don't say anything about adrenal support. If you have been ill for some time your adrenals may need some help. Something to consider? It helped stabilize my emotions/mood and improved fatigue. I don't believe I would have survived without it.

running wild said...
I've had morning anxiety/depression now for a good while. But since starting a monolaurin/olive leaf extract mix, seems things have really gotten bad, emotionally, and fatigue is much heavier. I'm also taking there tea spoons of virgin olive oil each day.

I'm trying to detox more, without overdoing it, with dry skin brushing, citrus pectin and glutathione.

Has anyone had emotional reactions to monolaurin or olive leaf before? Worse Fatigue? In an ugly place right now.

Posted 8/25/2019 11:41 AM (GMT -5)
Gladioli66 - I'm with you on the struggle with die-off and the feelings of depression. Also can relate to the thoughts going through your head. Those thoughts get much worse when treatment is changed or raised. I don't actively think about suicide in those times, but just want this to end. I remind myself there are so many that have been there and now are better to some or a big degree. That is what I hang onto and hope you do too.

I forgot to mention Candidas. My recent blood test showed it is a problem, so that would explain, at least in part, the reaction to monolaurin and olive leaf extract. I also use virgin olive oil two times a day (teaspoon full). Have you been tested recently for Candidas?

Good thought on the adrenals. I take some B vitamins, but am limited to amount of vitamin C because of kidneys. Also eat a good amount of leafy green vegetables. How about you with adrenal support?

Going back to the bad thoughts that happen, hope you are in a better place there. There are so many on this site who can relate, which means you are not alone with your thoughts. This site is great for people who can relate to you. That's hard to find in "the world."

I have tingling in my hands and feet not long after taking all I do each day. I appreciate your thoughts and ideas on all this. All this started for me in 2002, and there have been times I was much better. After heart surgery was done three years ago, things got worse again and now autoimmune has kicked in with Candida, Lyme and co-infections, etc... I know if anyone can get better before, it can be done again.

And if anyone has not gotten better, I know a first is also possible. Keeping that in our heads is the challenge but can be done.
Posted 8/25/2019 1:43 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you for your words of support. I am in a better place now, emotionally speaking. I have been dealing with my issues since the early 80s. It continues to be a struggle. A year or so ago I started treating what is thought to be a Bartonella infection (diagnosed by textbook clinical history) and this in turn allowed me to up my dosages of chelation meds. With regard to my adrenal support, I use Vitamin C, B5, Pantethine, hydrocortisone (dosed according to recommendations in "Safe Uses of Cortisol" by Jeffries), Pregnenolone SBL (sublingual drops), DHEA SBL, Adrenal Cortex (Thorne), bed by 10PM, breakfast no later 10 AM, lie down around 3pm (if I don't do this I become hyper from adrenaline surge and cannot sleep all night, 3 meals and 3 snacks per day all of which contain proteins, carb and fat. When I was down to 85 pounds (2/3 of my ideal weight) my skin was grey and I was bedridden, my saliva cortisol levels were below the reference range at all four times of the day. It was a very ugly time, but that is in the past.

I am encouraged by what I hear from others about the use of Monolaurin, but I do wish it was not such a struggle getting on the stuff. It has been a long time since trying olive leaf, so perhaps it is time to try again, but after your posting I know I must go very very slowly.

I am sorry to hear of your struggles but grateful you and others share your experiences here so we can all benefit .

running wild said...
Gladioli66 - I'm with you on the struggle with die-off and the feelings of depression. Also can relate to the thoughts going through your head. Those thoughts get much worse when treatment is changed or raised. I don't actively think about suicide in those times, but just want this to end. I remind myself there are so many that have been there and now are better to some or a big degree. That is what I hang onto and hope you do too.

I forgot to mention Candidas. My recent blood test showed it is a problem, so that would explain, at least in part, the reaction to monolaurin and olive leaf extract. I also use virgin olive oil two times a day (teaspoon full). Have you been tested recently for Candidas?

Good thought on the adrenals. I take some B vitamins, but am limited to amount of vitamin C because of kidneys. Also eat a good amount of leafy green vegetables. How about you with adrenal support?

Going back to the bad thoughts that happen, hope you are in a better place there. There are so many on this site who can relate, which means you are not alone with your thoughts. This site is great for people who can relate to you. That's hard to find in "the world."

I have tingling in my hands and feet not long after taking all I do each day. I appreciate your thoughts and ideas on all this. All this started for me in 2002, and there have been times I was much better. After heart surgery was done three years ago, things got worse again and now autoimmune has kicked in with Candida, Lyme and co-infections, etc... I know if anyone can get better before, it can be done again.

And if anyone has not gotten better, I know a first is also possible. Keeping that in our heads is the challenge but can be done.

Posted 8/25/2019 5:42 PM (GMT -5)
The good thing about monolaurin is ramping it up little by little. I use inspired nutrition but I’m sure the name brand is probably the same. I added a few pellets at a time until I got sick of counting them and then measured it 3 times a day. Later I just took them 2 times a day and now I go 1 or 2 times a day depending on how I feel.

Also, Aloe juice in the bulk container at wal mart, or wherever, is like magic to me. I drink a cup or 2 and no muscle twitches for some reason and it’s healing my body. I notice no bags under my eyes when I take it for several days. I think I kills bugs to because i herxed a bit when I started the aloe juice.
Posted 8/26/2019 10:00 AM (GMT -5)
Gladio - is your weight up now? When were you actually diagnosed? It took years for me. That is the disgrace on the medical field for all this. Also, do you supplement vitamin D? I do each day, which is also supposed to help with adrenals.

elvin - That is great about aloe helping you so much. I have not been able to use it because, surprisingly, it is contradicted for kidney issues. Monolaurin and olive leaf really kick my butt when I go up, so your thought of ramping up so slow is same here. Just how some bodies are made or how problems react.

I started drinking virgin olive oil for loss of fat issues and to help with Candida. Actually started taking it before I knew about Candida, but that may explain why I felt odd after taking it. Never know what is coming next - good or not so good. Hopefully good.
Posted 8/26/2019 11:32 AM (GMT -5)
Yes, my weight is up now and then some. As far as diagnosis goes, many years ago I had a text book symptom constellation with regard to Bartonella following a cat attack which involved a deep bite wound in the thigh as well as scratches deep enough to leave permanent scars. What followed a week later was fever, chills, fatigue, lymphadenopothy, etc. No treatment was given at the time and this was 20 years ago. More recently had testing done that indicates I continue to have a problem with Bartonella, but uncertain whether that problem is active or whether it is an immune issue triggered by that case of Bartonella long ago. The doc supported me regarding a non-prescription herbal approach and in his opinion my response to those herbs indicates it is likely I have a current infection or have had an ongoing one for 2 decades. However, the doc also pointed out that these herbs are not pathogen specific, so I could be treating Bartonella and/or some other pathogen. I am using the Buhner protocol as well as Lymogen from Jernigan.
I have Mercury, Thallium, and Arsenic toxicity so who is to say which of the many problems I have are causing my multi system involved health issues and add on my severe MCS?
Yes, I take Vitamin D @ 6,000 iu per day. My current 25hydroxyvitaminD levels are at 70. I started taking it for osteoporosis (which is now osteopenia) , but gained other benefits as well including it's anti inflammatory benefits.
Like you, I am disgusted by the medical professions lack of interest in actually diagnosing anything these days. they just drug the symptoms and then drug some more for the side effects from the first set of drugs. Very frustrating. I have been ill my entire adult life, but keep trying and hope others do the same.

running wild said...
Gladio - is your weight up now? When were you actually diagnosed? It took years for me. That is the disgrace on the medical field for all this. Also, do you supplement vitamin D? I do each day, which is also supposed to help with adrenals.

elvin - That is great about aloe helping you so much. I have not been able to use it because, surprisingly, it is contradicted for kidney issues. Monolaurin and olive leaf really kick my butt when I go up, so your thought of ramping up so slow is same here. Just how some bodies are made or how problems react.

I started drinking virgin olive oil for loss of fat issues and to help with Candida. Actually started taking it before I knew about Candida, but that may explain why I felt odd after taking it. Never know what is coming next - good or not so good. Hopefully good.

Post Edited (Gladioli66) : 8/26/2019 11:49:04 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/26/2019 1:40 PM (GMT -5)
Gladio - As you are doing, all we can do is keep trying to find the right combination that will, at least, alleviate a lot of symptoms. I've been able to do it before, as many others have, so we know it ca be done. Frustrating as hell, but there is hope. Sometimes I have trouble keeping that attitude, but have to somehow believe.

I do believe stem cell research is the hope for all and pray it continues to improve and find answers for all types of problems.
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