hottuynia for bart?

who here has used hottuynia for bart symptoms- if so how did it work for you and what symptoms did it work for specifically?

Houtt worked better for me than clarithromycin/rifabutin combo. Gave me several weeks of anxiety as part of the die-off, though.

Houtty has been a good herb for me. I think it’s the only one that really helped any symptoms. It did give me a little bit of a herx in the beginning, even though I started at super tiny doses - like 2 drops 3x day.

If I remember right, the herxing included new symptoms I had not previously had - weird electrical pains in the head and muscle twitches and jerks in my legs. Oh, yeah, and foot pain. I might have had some psych herxes, too.

It tremendously helped the stiffness in my small joints - fingers, toes, wrists, ankles and the foot pain. I still have these at times but nothing like it used to be, and I have not increased my doses much at all. I take 8 drops 2x day.

The improvement did not happen overnight. Most of my improvements have come over a long time and were barely noticeable as they occurred.

My bart streaks have not gone away. They’re still there.

WalkingbyFaith said...

jb1994 said...
I've been using it twice a day to no avail. about 30 drops 2x/day from a company on Etsy. Been on it a good month or two.

You might want to try Woodland Essence. If you’ve noticed nothing, it’s possible the brand is not potent enough or what it claims to be or maybe you don’t have bartonella. Houtty has a reputation for being herx provoking for bartonella and is used as a challenge for diagnosing bart clinically. Seriously, I would try a bottle of Wiodland Essence for comparison.

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I second WbF's suggestion to try Woodland Essence. I've tried a few different brands...including a few Buhner recommends. I found WE to be the best IMO.
The Hawthorne tastes totally different from two others' I bought. One was from our local health food store...and the other was online...don't remember the brand.
The hawthorne from WE actually tastes good.

I would stick to Buhner's recommended brands....or at least a company that is known to be reputable.

jb1994 said...
Alright noted. Do I have to buy it on their website? It seems expensive...10 bucks shipping is definitely overpriced.

edit: couldn't find it anywhere else. Guess I just gotta bite the bullet.

I don't think you can get WE anywhere but from them...unfortunately.
They're really nice people there, though...lol...if that helps.

Like jb, I used Hout working up to 30 drops twice a day along with Cat's Claw and JK tinctures at same doses.
Started with Sage Woman brands and switching to fresh leaf Hout from Woodland. Later changed to their IHA blend and JK Plus blend to get more bang for the buck. Upped IHA dise to three dropper fullys (about 90 drops) with little reaction. Progress was so gradual from seeing improvements back to 95% after several relapses in combination with numerous Bart ABX protocols. I couldn't determine if the herbals were actually making a difference.

Since my recent heart attack two weeks ago I've stopped all of my Herbal tintures, which have known blood thinning properties, to focus on new heart meds and related blood thinners. Clarithromysin interacted with two of my new Heart Rx so I stopped that as well and remain on Bactrim DX, Alinia, Nystatin Rx for the time being. If my Bart sx backslide I'll return to the IHA and JK plus tinctures and see if any impact.

Post Edited (tickbite666) : 8/29/2019 6:27:00 AM (GMT-6)

tickbite666 said...
Like jb, I used Hout working up to 30 drops twice a day along with Cat's Claw and JK tinctures at same doses.
Started with Sage Woman brands and switching to fresh leaf Hout from Woodland. Later changed to their IHA blend and JK Plus blend to get more bang for the buck. Upped IHA dise to three dropper fullys (about 90 drops) with little reaction. Progress was so gradual from seeing improvements back to 95% after several relapses in combination with numerous Bart ABX protocols. I couldn't determine if the herbals were actually making a difference.

Since my recent heart attack two weeks ago I've stopped all of my Herbal tintures, which have known blood thinning properties, to focus on new heart meds and related blood thinners. Clarithromysin interacted with two of my new Heart Rx so I stopped that as well and remain on Bactrim DX, Alinia, Nystatin Rx for the time being. If my Bart sx backslide I'll return to the IHA and JK plus tinctures and see if any impact.

Tickbite - I just read about your heart attack..... I'm so sorry. Have you had continual issues with your heart from lyme and co's....or did 'this' just happen out of the blue?

As if you needed something else on TOP of lyme and co's. Hang in there.

Girlie said...

tickbite666 said...
Like jb, I used Hout working up to 30 drops twice a day along with Cat's Claw and JK tinctures at same doses.
Started with Sage Woman brands and switching to fresh leaf Hout from Woodland. Later changed to their IHA blend and JK Plus blend to get more bang for the buck. Upped IHA dise to three dropper fullys (about 90 drops) with little reaction. Progress was so gradual from seeing improvements back to 95% after several relapses in combination with numerous Bart ABX protocols. I couldn't determine if the herbals were actually making a difference.

Since my recent heart attack two weeks ago I've stopped all of my Herbal tintures, which have known blood thinning properties, to focus on new heart meds and related blood thinners. Clarithromysin interacted with two of my new Heart Rx so I stopped that as well and remain on Bactrim DX, Alinia, Nystatin Rx for the time being. If my Bart sx backslide I'll return to the IHA and JK plus tinctures and see if any impact.

Tickbite - I just read about your heart attack..... I'm so sorry. Have you had continual issues with your heart from lyme and co's....or did 'this' just happen out of the blue?

As if you needed something else on TOP of lyme and co's. Hang in there.

Hey Girlie,

I made one brief mention of the heart attack a week or so ago in a reply to another post. It was kind of out of the blue with only a few brief chest pains in days prior to going to ER on 8/11. Had a 90% blockage of Left Anterior Decending artery and they inserted a stint on Monday am 9/12. Everything else was fine and no damage to heart muscle. I was released next day and actually returned to work immediately.

I haven't been on this forum for a while.. been busy with moving into my new home in late June and a few days later loosing my job I was with for 14 years, finding a new job in late July, then the heart attack.... "what stress" you ask? Still got a scense of humor at least.

Post Edited (tickbite666) : 8/30/2019 5:16:15 AM (GMT-6)