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Posted 7/12/2019 2:16 PM (GMT -5)
All is well in month 10.

Looking forward to family vacation up North this week. 2 years ago I had to cancel due to being so sick.

Read my other post on on the details of my ACC decovery. I’m outnumbered here so no value to dedate on this forum.

If interested join the FB group called “Andy Cutler Chelation” and tell them about your symtoms.

I wish all of you happiness and success in your healing journey.

Oh forgot to mention the best parts. The grey dry skin patches on my knees and body have disappeared, and best of all a can now sweat again,, boy does that feel good.

Mark
Posted 7/12/2019 3:43 PM (GMT -5)
That’s great, Mark!! Thank you for continuing the periodic updates. Enjoy your vacation!!
Posted 8/29/2019 11:32 AM (GMT -5)
Mark,

I saw the AC information you posted today on another thread. You provided a link to Rebecca’s site. In that site in respect to testing, she states:

“The hair test you want is from Doctor's Data Lab and you can order it through Direct Labs. Use the code AUT10 for a discount, that may still work. The test you want is "Essential Elements," NOT "Toxic Elements.”

I went to the Direct Labs site and there is no standalone essential elements hair test. There is a hair test called “Hair Toxic and Essential Elements - Doctors Data kit for $129.

Then I went directly to the Doctors Data site and found only “Hair Elements” and “Hair Toxic Element Exposure Profile.”

Can you confirm the correct one?

—————-

Post Edit:

Do they not recommend urine or blood samples at all?

Do they recommend this same hair test or other tests be done at intervals during chelation to assess response to therapy?

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 8/29/2019 10:43:42 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/29/2019 11:39 AM (GMT -5)
That’s great news!! So happy for you!!
Posted 8/29/2019 12:15 PM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Mark,

I saw the AC information you posted today on another thread. You provided a link to Rebecca’s site. In that site in respect to testing, she states:

“The hair test you want is from Doctor's Data Lab and you can order it through Direct Labs. Use the code AUT10 for a discount, that may still work. The test you want is "Essential Elements," NOT "Toxic Elements.”

I went to the Direct Labs site and there is no standalone essential elements hair test. There is a hair test called “Hair Toxic and Essential Elements - Doctors Data kit for $129.

Then I went directly to the Doctors Data site and found only “Hair Elements” and “Hair Toxic Element Exposure Profile.”

Can you confirm the correct one?

—————-

Post Edit:

Do they not recommend urine or blood samples at all?

Do they recommend this same hair test or other tests be done at intervals during chelation to assess response to therapy?

Ill be able to get this later today. I dont have FB on my phone or work LT

Yes its tricky and the name change but really important that you get the right one.

Ill also get to your other questions then to.
Posted 8/29/2019 12:29 PM (GMT -5)
so glad to hear you are doing well Mark F!!! I recently heard about a drug called emeramide, some patients are using to chelate the mercury. One of my buddies is having good success with it. Do you know of it? if so, any thoughts?
Posted 8/29/2019 12:47 PM (GMT -5)
Good to hear, Mark

Sounds like youre doing wel!
Keep us updated - okay?
Posted 8/29/2019 4:10 PM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Mark,

I saw the AC information you posted today on another thread. You provided a link to Rebecca’s site. In that site in respect to testing, she states:

“The hair test you want is from Doctor's Data Lab and you can order it through Direct Labs. Use the code AUT10 for a discount, that may still work. The test you want is "Essential Elements," NOT "Toxic Elements.”

I went to the Direct Labs site and there is no standalone essential elements hair test. There is a hair test called “Hair Toxic and Essential Elements - Doctors Data kit for $129.

Then I went directly to the Doctors Data site and found only “Hair Elements” and “Hair Toxic Element Exposure Profile.”

Can you confirm the correct one?

—————-

Post Edit:

Do they not recommend urine or blood samples at all?

Do they recommend this same hair test or other tests be done at intervals during chelation to assess response to therapy?


OK let me see if I can get this to be a link. This is the test you'll need.

Different Org but same lab and cheaper. Once you get it you'll need in interpreted by a Admin on trhe FB site. AC used counting rule as tot the level of derangement which is on the bottom. I have the hair book and know pretty much how to do it but there are admins around that were trained by Andy that can give you more info. The top has good information also but the mercury section does not indicate long term exposure. Which most of us have. Also no need for Amy's comments. They are not used.

There are some that track progress but its based on how you feel. Also I think once you start to supplement heavaly for symtom control it may skew the test. Not sure.

No blood or urine, that only detects acute/recent exposure .. the top will give you that

https://www.holisticheal.com/hair-elements-test-without-dr-amy-s-comments.html?fbclid=iwar319z4nt1ndv0cyw0f2elb5fv9npvfped4xa63cezhgdxb8qev7ebta6zu
Posted 8/29/2019 5:03 PM (GMT -5)

sebreg said...
so glad to hear you are doing well Mark F!!! I recently heard about a drug called emeramide, some patients are using to chelate the mercury. One of my buddies is having good success with it. Do you know of it? if so, any thoughts?

So yes I have dug into this lately.

So where to start.,, first i will admit the idea of a better chelator is always good and there are some interesting claims on this. However there are some things you should know.

*It was originally marketed as a supplement called OSR 1 that was pulled by the FDA since you cant supplement something that is not naturally produced in your body. That was 2010 or 2011

*The developer, Boyd Hale, had renamed the substance and is trying to get it FDA approved as a Chelation drug. This is going slow and I hear he as only on Phase 1. Even with my multi year plan I expect to be done long before this becomes officially available.

* Until then its only officially available through trials in Lebanon and New Zealand and you need a doctor to sponsor and assume liability.

*Meanwhile relativity small group of users.I"m aware of, get their batches from 2 China sources but they are sold to be used non-human consumption. For research only. All very under the table talk about sources and a US distributor so you don't have to import it.

* This is what the official EmeraMed web site says about this.

Warning: Counterfeit Irminix® sold illegally in EU & USA

Counterfeit Irminix® is being sold under our various trade names (OSR#1®, NBMI, Emeramide) and tests have shown that it is not Irminix®. Irminix® may be available in your country in compliance with various regulations through our Early Access Programme.

Site goes on to say these products counterfeit products are contaminated and shows pictures as proof.

There's a whole lot more I could say but this is a real unknown. User base appears to be pretty small. Claim is that it bonds mercury "forever" not sure how long it takes to excrete What if in 3 years the bond is lost and it's not excreted? It would probably kill you.

Too much risk I'll wait for the research to be properly done.
Posted 8/29/2019 7:58 PM (GMT -5)
So great that you’re doing better! I also have the gray dry patches in my knees and could not figure out why I had them. You think it’s related to Mercury toxicity?
Posted 8/29/2019 8:38 PM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Mark,

I saw the AC information you posted today on another thread. You provided a link to Rebecca’s site. In that site in respect to testing, she states:

“The hair test you want is from Doctor's Data Lab and you can order it through Direct Labs. Use the code AUT10 for a discount, that may still work. The test you want is "Essential Elements," NOT "Toxic Elements.”

I went to the Direct Labs site and there is no standalone essential elements hair test. There is a hair test called “Hair Toxic and Essential Elements - Doctors Data kit for $129.

Then I went directly to the Doctors Data site and found only “Hair Elements” and “Hair Toxic Element Exposure Profile.”

Can you confirm the correct one?

—————-

Post Edit:

Do they not recommend urine or blood samples at all?

Do they recommend this same hair test or other tests be done at intervals during chelation to assess response to therapy?

Hair Toxic & Essential Elements-Doctor's Data Kit
Posted 8/29/2019 8:42 PM (GMT -5)

sebreg said...
so glad to hear you are doing well Mark F!!! I recently heard about a drug called emeramide, some patients are using to chelate the mercury. One of my buddies is having good success with it. Do you know of it? if so, any thoughts?

years of on off ACC destroyed my kidneys and saw little results

I am on Emeramide now for about 4 months and having good results. WAY easier on the kidneys and it crosses the BBB and actually chelates mercury from the brain and nerves. Its 10X the chelator that DMSA/DMPS/ALA is.

join the FB group "Irminix / NBMI / Emeramide / OSR" for info on how to obtain it. Don't worry about the 'fake' warnings, we have sources that have been lab tested and are top notch.
Posted 8/29/2019 8:49 PM (GMT -5)

Mark F said...


So yes I have dug into this lately.

So where to start.,, first i will admit the idea of a better chelator is always good and there are some interesting claims on this. However there are some things you should know.

*It was originally marketed as a supplement called OSR 1 that was pulled by the FDA since you cant supplement something that is not naturally produced in your body. That was 2010 or 2011

*The developer, Boyd Hale, had renamed the substance and is trying to get it FDA approved as a Chelation drug. This is going slow and I hear he as only on Phase 1. Even with my multi year plan I expect to be done long before this becomes officially available.

* Until then its only officially available through trials in Lebanon and New Zealand and you need a doctor to sponsor and assume liability.

*Meanwhile relativity small group of users.I"m aware of, get their batches from 2 China sources but they are sold to be used non-human consumption. For research only. All very under the table talk about sources and a US distributor so you don't have to import it.

* This is what the official EmeraMed web site says about this.

Warning: Counterfeit Irminix® sold illegally in EU & USA

Counterfeit Irminix® is being sold under our various trade names (OSR#1®, NBMI, Emeramide) and tests have shown that it is not Irminix®. Irminix® may be available in your country in compliance with various regulations through our Early Access Programme.

Site goes on to say these products counterfeit products are contaminated and shows pictures as proof.

There's a whole lot more I could say but this is a real unknown. User base appears to be pretty small. Claim is that it bonds mercury "forever" not sure how long it takes to excrete What if in 3 years the bond is lost and it's not excreted? It would probably kill you.

Too much risk I'll wait for the research to be properly done.

sort of chuckling at this post, quite a bit of misinformation. The ACC people spread all kinds of nonsense about emeramide. Its in phase 2 approval and likely to get full approval this year or next and is available in early programs in 2 countries and with select Doctors in the US. But we have sources where you can buy it now.

I invite you to join the emeramide FB group and talk to people who are using it.

Post Edited (Lapis_29) : 8/29/2019 8:02:15 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/29/2019 10:01 PM (GMT -5)
Yes I know all about the ex ACC club..

Ok it’s in phase 2. My mistake.

Let those who are interstested decide for themselves Go on the web site
and then to your group and ask about where you get it. The counterfeit comment comes from there.

I thought this site had rules about promoting illegal products.

https://emeramed.com/?cn-reloaded=1
Posted 8/29/2019 10:41 PM (GMT -5)

Mark F said...

Different Org but same lab and cheaper. Once you get it you'll need in interpreted by a Admin on trhe FB site. AC used counting rule as tot the level of derangement which is on the bottom. I have the hair book and know pretty much how to do it but there are admins around that were trained by Andy that can give you more info. The top has good information also but the mercury section does not indicate long term exposure. Which most of us have. Also no need for Amy's comments. They are not used.

There are some that track progress but its based on how you feel. Also I think once you start to supplement heavaly for symtom control it may skew the test. Not sure.

No blood or urine, that only detects acute/recent exposure .. the top will give you that

https://www.holisticheal.com/hair-elements-test-without-dr-amy-s-comments.html?fbclid=iwar319z4nt1ndv0cyw0f2elb5fv9npvfped4xa63cezhgdxb8qev7ebta6zu

Thanks! Says the following: “To avoid cancellation by the lab, make certain: the sample is collected from the head (close as possible to the scalp), the sample is at least 1 inch in length & the sample weighs .25 grams (or for reference- a tightly packed tablespoon)”

I have really short hair. Looks like I will have to grow my hair out long enough to be able to cut a full 1 inch of length.
Posted 8/30/2019 6:50 AM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...

Mark F said...

Different Org but same lab and cheaper. Once you get it you'll need in interpreted by a Admin on trhe FB site. AC used counting rule as tot the level of derangement which is on the bottom. I have the hair book and know pretty much how to do it but there are admins around that were trained by Andy that can give you more info. The top has good information also but the mercury section does not indicate long term exposure. Which most of us have. Also no need for Amy's comments. They are not used.

There are some that track progress but its based on how you feel. Also I think once you start to supplement heavaly for symtom control it may skew the test. Not sure.

No blood or urine, that only detects acute/recent exposure .. the top will give you that

https://www.holisticheal.com/hair-elements-test-without-dr-amy-s-comments.html?fbclid=iwar319z4nt1ndv0cyw0f2elb5fv9npvfped4xa63cezhgdxb8qev7ebta6zu

Thanks! Says the following: “To avoid cancellation by the lab, make certain: the sample is collected from the head (close as possible to the scalp), the sample is at least 1 inch in length & the sample weighs .25 grams (or for reference- a tightly packed tablespoon)”

I have really short hair. Looks like I will have to grow my hair out long enough to be able to cut a full 1 inch of length.

I’d go on the FB site and ask. There may be other areas on the body where you can get a sample.
Posted 8/30/2019 7:04 AM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...

Mark F said...

Different Org but same lab and cheaper. Once you get it you'll need in interpreted by a Admin on trhe FB site. AC used counting rule as tot the level of derangement which is on the bottom. I have the hair book and know pretty much how to do it but there are admins around that were trained by Andy that can give you more info. The top has good information also but the mercury section does not indicate long term exposure. Which most of us have. Also no need for Amy's comments. They are not used.

There are some that track progress but its based on how you feel. Also I think once you start to supplement heavaly for symtom control it may skew the test. Not sure.

No blood or urine, that only detects acute/recent exposure .. the top will give you that

https://www.holisticheal.com/hair-elements-test-without-dr-amy-s-comments.html?fbclid=iwar319z4nt1ndv0cyw0f2elb5fv9npvfped4xa63cezhgdxb8qev7ebta6zu

Thanks! Says the following: “To avoid cancellation by the lab, make certain: the sample is collected from the head (close as possible to the scalp), the sample is at least 1 inch in length & the sample weighs .25 grams (or for reference- a tightly packed tablespoon)”

I have really short hair. Looks like I will have to grow my hair out long enough to be able to cut a full 1 inch of length.

I’d go on the FB site and ask. There may be other areas on the body where you can get a sample.
Posted 8/31/2019 7:38 AM (GMT -5)
I just looked further on the second site Holistic Health International and found much more specific information on the test requirements. Also says a scale is provided to weigh the sample and very specific requirements for the hair collection.

Here’s the page: https://www.holisticheal.com/customer-service/faq/hair-elements-test

Also discovered this is Amy Yasko’s resource. Lots of tests listed here and she will comment on the results for you. Sounds good. The hair elements test can be purchased with or without her comments.
Posted 8/31/2019 9:26 AM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
I just looked further on the second site Holistic Health International and found much more specific information on the test requirements. Also says a scale is provided to weigh the sample and very specific requirements for the hair collection.

Here’s the page: https://www.holisticheal.com/customer-service/faq/hair-elements-test

Also discovered this is Amy Yasko’s resource. Lots of tests listed here and she will comment on the results for you. Sounds good. The hair elements test can be purchased with or without her comments.


Please go on the FB site and ask the same question about hair. This is the test that ACC uses but in a very diffent way. And I would ask to please please do not get pulled into a non ACC heavy metal detox program. At least go on the site and ask questions first. There are many people there who have been harmed by improper Chelation programs. Let them tell you. I can’t coach you from here. There is so much bad advice being given,, by well minded people, but this is a open forum , anything goes. I can’t compete with every person that gives you bad advice.

Andy Cutler found a process that works. However you can’t get distracted and mix protocols up. FYI, getting distracted and not sticking to a plan is a classic Mercury symptom.

I will say this to anyone that considers ACC. You have to go into it with the mindset that you know nothing. Or at a minimum to unlearn a lot. Learn the protocol, don’t deviate. If you do it won’t work. And yes can he harmdul. Lapis admitted on a previous post he did not follow the protocol per the guidelines.

My GRF went from 49 after I was vaxxed and is now 70. So my kindeys are doing great. But yes it’s very important that you don’t try to play Armchair Scientist and think you know better.

Sorry if I’m coming across as being blunt and it may seem like know big deal to add Amy’s comments and start to research this site. Issue is there are a lot of things that people will try to sell you that are acually very bad for you if you have mercury toxicity. I’ll be the first to say it like walking a land mine field. Not while in the ACC protocol, although that is tricky, but there is a lot of Admin support and user support.
Posted 8/31/2019 11:10 AM (GMT -5)
Mark,

Thanks for the warnings. I would like to get the tests done so I will at least know which, if any, heavy metals I have excessive amounts of to see how heavy metals fit into my overall picture. I have no intention of starting chelation of any kind in the immediate future. I have much more complicated matters to deal with at the moment.

Does the ACC group address genetics at all? I would think like with most everything else that certain genetic issues are the reason some harbor metals while others have no issues removing them without them building up.
Posted 8/31/2019 1:52 PM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Mark,

Thanks for the warnings. I would like to get the tests done so I will at least know which, if any, heavy metals I have excessive amounts of to see how heavy metals fit into my overall picture. I have no intention of starting chelation of any kind in the immediate future. I have much more complicated matters to deal with at the moment.

Does the ACC group address genetics at all? I would think like with most everything else that certain genetic issues are the reason some harbor metals while others have no issues removing them without them building up.

Main thing is to have the ACC group interpret the hair test. Tell them what's ailing you.

As to genetics. Only that Northern Europeans and descendants seem to be more susceptible. Specifically Sweds and Fins. I'm of Northern German descent. But AC never found a gene that I know of.

All my siblings are toxic.. They just don't know it. They all have gallbladder and digestive issues. 3 had theirs removed and they turned out to be perfectly pink and healthy. They call Lyme the great imitator. That's just a demon. Mercury is like the devil himself.

The range of mercury damage is huge. In fact 90% of the illness on the Web site (not just Lyme group) can be caused by Mercury. So to say that most people are not impacted is not the case. ACC addresses many many if not all chronic illnesses. Us former Lyme's are are just one of the Chronic illnesses that brought us there. Thyroid, Fibromyalgia, MS.. There's at least 25 disorders that are caused by mercury.

Good Luck
Posted 8/31/2019 4:34 PM (GMT -5)
FYI, I have been doing ACC chelation for some time now, had a number of consultations with Andy over the years and have been a long time member of the Frequent Dose Chelation Yahoo Group which is specifically for those doing ACC. Wherever you have the Doctor's Data hairtest done, it is the Hair Elements Test or Hair Toxic and Essential Elements Test. They are the same test. The test is best done with someone else taking the hair samples. I found it impossible to cut the samples from the appropriate area by myself. A little cardboard scale comes with the kit so you know exactly how much hair to send them. I always send a little extra just to be sure. Here is a data base https://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/

where one can post your results anonymously, then send a link to the yahoo group or Facebook group and others can help with interpretation. The moderators in the Yahoo group are awesome and glad to help if you have questions. I choose not to join Facebook, but I have found the Yahoo group is more than adequate for any questions I have regarding my complex issues with regard to chelation.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/frequent-dose-chelation/conversations/messages

Some have asked "if ACC is so great why are you still ill after years"? The answer is I was diagnosed 3 decades late and by then was dealing with a very complex mess. Having 3 toxic metals that perpetuate each others toxicity did not help the situation either.
I have definitely made progress and treating chronic infections was part of that multifaceted treatment plan. I have appreciated the support I have received here with regard to my Bartonella infection.

Post Edited (Gladioli66) : 8/31/2019 4:25:38 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/31/2019 5:03 PM (GMT -5)

Gladioli66 said...
FYI, I have been doing ACC chelation for some time now, had a number of consultations with Andy over the years and have been a long time member of the Frequent Dose Chelation Yahoo Group which is specifically for those doing ACC. Wherever you have the hairtest done, it is the Hair Elements Test or Hair Toxic and Essential Elements Test. They are the same test.

hold on now

Those are the same tests? Why are they labeled differently and have different prices then?

I don't understand.
Posted 8/31/2019 5:41 PM (GMT -5)
Doctors Data calls it the Hair Elements test (it tests toxic and essential elements). That is the lab that actually performs the test. Many go through a secondary lab to order their test kits. One of those labs is Direct Labs who calls it the Hair Toxic and Essential Elements Test. It is the same test and it is unfortunate Direct Labs cannot manage to update their website to make things less confusing for people, but there it is.
With regard to pricing, if your doc orders the test kit direct from DDI and allows you to pay upfront when you send the test in, that is the cheapest way, but you need a cooperative doc. The secondary labs that send you the kit can charge whatever they wish and their prices are often different.

Lapis_29 said...

Gladioli66 said...
FYI, I have been doing ACC chelation for some time now, had a number of consultations with Andy over the years and have been a long time member of the Frequent Dose Chelation Yahoo Group which is specifically for those doing ACC. Wherever you have the hairtest done, it is the Hair Elements Test or Hair Toxic and Essential Elements Test. They are the same test.

hold on now

Those are the same tests? Why are they labeled differently and have different prices then?

I don't understand.

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