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Posted 9/25/2019 10:43 AM (GMT -5)
Could someone help explain this possible herx reaction because it is completely mind boggling to me.

Out of the three infections I have (lyme, babesia, and bartonella), my primary symptom is severe sleep insomnia. So out of the hundreds of possible symptoms of three combined infections I just really have one.

Working with a Buhner herbalist for the past year I've had no improvements in sleep at all.

My LLMD recommended I try hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT). I’ve been doing it for about 14 days and my sleep has been noticeably worse recently so do you consider this a herx reaction??

What I’m trying to understand and if this IS a herx reaction, it makes absolutely no sense that my only reaction is completely contained to just insomnia and I have no other exacerbated symptoms whatsoever.

So does that mean that there are excess toxins just floating and isolated in my brain? I have no toxins anywhere else? Or isolated in my central nervous system? And if so does this indicate ANYTHING at all? I’m just trying to make some sense of this. What can I do help the situation?
Posted 9/25/2019 10:51 AM (GMT -5)
sleep distrubances is a major mold toxin symptom. Have you looked into that possbility?
Posted 9/25/2019 11:05 AM (GMT -5)
it was bart for me ... phioph could answer hbot herxes but she did soft machine for a long while ...
pheylbut , 6mg melatonin and white chestnut flower essence (stops the chatter) was my formula for a good nite
Posted 9/25/2019 12:25 PM (GMT -5)
I haven't been tested for mold but I will request this at my next appointment.
Posted 9/25/2019 8:30 PM (GMT -5)
I have severe insomnia as well, have had it since my body went haywire in 2012. Lyme and co's notoriously mess with sleep. I don't have mold issues.
Posted 9/26/2019 3:24 AM (GMT -5)
If you didn't have those infections, you could still have severe insomnia. So don't focus on the infections, focus on what is happening at the cellular level. More than likely, you have a mitochondria dysfunction. Perhaps elevated copper is causing over stimulation, perhaps CoQ10 and carnitine are low, perhaps lithium levels are low, perhaps too many sulfur amino acids are stimulating glutamate receptors, perhaps excessive aluminum is blocking components of the Kreb Cycle, perhaps neopterin levels are too high, perhaps BH4 is too low, perhaps Casein Kinase II levels are altered, perhaps you don't have enough GABA, perhaps you need more Resveratrol, perhaps you have too much Thimerosal causing calcium flux, perhaps you have increased Staph levels which have increased aluminum levels, or perhaps you have elevated viral loads. As you see, there are quite a few things that can cause sleep issues. It is often a combination of the above that cause sleep issues. You can address some of them and at least rule them out.
Posted 9/26/2019 6:47 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks Sandy, I will request the mycotoxin test on my next visit in 2 weeks as well as repeating many other tests that initially were flagged out of range 8 months ago to see what changed. I also found a practitioner who does heavy metal testing through Quicksilver Scientific (Dr. Chris Shade's company). He has specialized mercury tri-test which does not require provocation testing so I'm very interested in seeing these results. I think he's a pioneer in the heavy metal testing field.

Great point Georgia. The only catch is finding someone knowledgeable enough to test for all that and know how to apply it. But I have to slightly disagree because yes there can be something wrong at the cellular level and there most likely is, but it doesn't take awake from the fact that if lyme and co-infections have crossed the blood brain barrier or entered the central nervous system no matter how well you treat the cellular level there will still be severe insomnia. It could also be a combination of both the infections and what you mentioned and at this point I'm sure there are many things wrong, just I don't know who to see who can figure it all out and piece all these things together.
Posted 9/26/2019 7:14 AM (GMT -5)

Georgia Hunter said...
If you didn't have those infections, you could still have severe insomnia. So don't focus on the infections, focus on what is happening at the cellular level. More than likely, you have a mitochondria dysfunction. Perhaps elevated copper is causing over stimulation, perhaps CoQ10 and carnitine are low, perhaps lithium levels are low, perhaps too many sulfur amino acids are stimulating glutamate receptors, perhaps excessive aluminum is blocking components of the Kreb Cycle, perhaps neopterin levels are too high, perhaps BH4 is too low, perhaps Casein Kinase II levels are altered, perhaps you don't have enough GABA, perhaps you need more Resveratrol, perhaps you have too much Thimerosal causing calcium flux, perhaps you have increased Staph levels which have increased aluminum levels, or perhaps you have elevated viral loads. As you see, there are quite a few things that can cause sleep issues. It is often a combination of the above that cause sleep issues. You can address some of them and at least rule them out.

Would the OAT test reveal all this, or are multiple tests needed?
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