wim hof method to help immune system/endocrince

ive been trying this....this guy holds like 28 world records....believes breathing techniques/mindfulness/dealing with cold can cause you to positively effect hypothalamus/immune and endocrine system...and control your autonomic system..... he climbed mt everest in just shorts and boots!!...he's a freak (there is an episode on vice about him that you can find online)...but his concepts are based on pranayama breathing from india.... the autoimmune aspect of this disease is clear to me, (getting stuck in a rut) and the below interview w wim hof on rogan is amazing and hopeful to me.... and hope is the way we break out of our acquired negative mind loop that is addressed by things like dnrs....give it a look,its long but inspiring ...the second link is an example of his breathing technique...i was able to bring my heart rate down from 110 to 90 after one time doing the video...final vid is from his site, regarding postiviely helping chronic lyme

joe rogan interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hauwCHPRaRI

breathing technique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybOi4hjZFQ

helping post lyme disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?utm_campaign=wimhofmethod&utm_source=wimhofm&utm_medium=email&v=cGxjb46Mbmo&utm_content=July+Newsletter&fbclid=IwAR36SfvHpOSqrX-qqSN5H-brMbtjuHO6kG32lheUQmS6sFptQci5YAlibEQ&app=desktop

(sorry dont know how to make a hyperlink)

Post Edited (dbwilco) : 12/13/2019 2:56:54 AM (GMT-7)

Adding hyperlinks for dbwilco:

Joe Rogan interview: https://youtu.be/hauwchprari

Breathing technique: https://youtu.be/tyboi4hjzfq

Helping Post-Lyme Disease: https://youtu.be/cgxjb46mbmo

Wim's been discussed here before. I posted the VICE video on him in this thread.

Love wim hoff! His breathing definitely helps me. Look into ice baths and cryo as an add on to the breathing, he’s big into that . Heart math deep breathing really helped. Helps to have a HRV monitor as well. Autonomics play a huge role in pain.

I tried DNRS, i completely believe in it, especially for those with psychosomatic pain. I had the same problem tho, every time I had a flare that I knew had a physiological basis to it, I undid all my DNRS gains

So basically there have been a few studies done. I know one in particular, cant remember off the top of my head the guys name, can get it when I'm home. But he basically went around to a bunch of yoga masters and zen masters and said, show me what you do to medidate. And he found that they usually do a deep breathing of around 6 beats per minute. He then systematically studied this. And he found that people had the most therapeutic benefits around 5.5-6 beats per minute. Measurables like heart rate variability and skin conductance improved, as did overall levels of pain. Its been show that HRV is correlated to health, which is why top athletes have now started to use HRV monitor to figure out idea times to train. Its a basically measure of the autonomic nervous system, and when the autonomic nervous system is performing better, so does your body. This has linked to over health, morbidity rates, etc, but thats a convo for another time and still up for debate. But the reason why this researcher thinks 6bpm (.1 Hz) is ideal is because if you know anything about autonomics, you know that sympathetic overload leads to stress and poor health. What happens is that when you breathe out, the body exerts a parasympathetic break on your heartrate (because as you want a lower heart rate when youre breathing out and have less oxygen). This .1Hz breathing works because it forces your body to exert a sustained parasympathetic break on the autonomic nervous system, that eventually becomes an innate reflex and breaks the sympathetic cycle.

Theres an HRV company called HeartMath who uses a type of HRV training aimed at something they call "resonance" i think, but if you back out what theyre really doing mathematically, theyre just targeting .1Hz. You dont even have to buy the software and the heart monitor, you can do it on your own. Deep breath aimed at 6 cycles a minute for like 15 min a day. The software is nice tho because it gives you biofeedback and trains you.

Yea, target 6 per minute, or one every 10 seconds.

I have POTS too. Metropolol has been helpful in cutting off the spikes w no side effects too

Yah give it a shot. By the way that’s 5 seconds in 5 out go real deep.

It helps, even by itself, but at the end of the day I found that if you have a bacterial or autoimmune problem which is screwing up your autonomics, gonna get that under control to stop the damage, then rebuild it w these types of training, to make lasting gains

im 2 days into the breathing and the cold showers... definitely feel better mentally.... far superior to dnrs for me so far....will update

it seemed to flare up my mcas...which after reading more about it, the breathing technique puts your body into fight or flight, so that you can adapt to it....but im already there so it seems to fire up my system more....so though i want it to work, im similar to you deep_sleep in that it seems to have a negative effect right now....i will definitely revisit it....i am doing cold showers still

I still think it can be a nice thing to do. But maybe only one round. Drop to 20 quick breaths, shorter breath hold and doing it infrequently in the beginning.

I measure my sleep with an oura ring and I had 1 h 42 min deep sleep. I almost never had that before.
Next time I will do it when I dont have to perform that day or the next day. I have a deadline for tomorrow, so pretty poor timing.

dcd2103 said...
Yah give it a shot. By the way that’s 5 seconds in 5 out go real deep.

It helps, even by itself, but at the end of the day I found that if you have a bacterial or autoimmune problem which is screwing up your autonomics, gonna get that under control to stop the damage, then rebuild it w these types of training, to make lasting gains

Wondered about this. Do these programs address something that immune modulating herbs or even IVIG would? Can you wire yourself out of an AI or MCAS reaction?

Also, you noticed that one moment of slippage amd a return to old thinking patterns and your health would slide again? That's scary. It seems inevitable that someone can fall back into that at some time or another.

Wim Hof is fascinating. I would love to take his online class one day. Anyone done it? I know he has worked with Lyme patients, but the video I found online about it just says that they felt better, not how they were when they began or which types of symptoms improved. This method of treatment is up my alley, though, because it's unlikely to make anyone worse!

Aerose - Much like with DNRS, yes, you absolutely can wire yourself out of MCAS and other forms of over-reaction in your brain. The hypervigilant response can be turned off. But it takes hard work, so people would rather use years of drugs, herbs, etc. That's not a criticism, by the way; when we are so worn down emotionally by these illnesses, sometimes the willpower just isn't there.

I have the 10 week program. I dont have the time and as I reacted so much to the breathing exercise I havent done it.
There is a video and a pdf for each week, where there are cold challenges, breathing exercises and versions of yoga/stretching.

I did another 20 breaths and 40 sec breath hold today and finish at the coldest in the end of my showers.
I will soon try do a full 30 breaths and 60 sec breath hold and I should also do longer times with cold in the shower. I went to a DJ sauna a while ago where they had barrels of cold water. It was really nice to go between the sauna and the cold water.

From week 2
Cold shower exercise.
1. Start with a cold shower, 30 sec
2. Warm shower as long as you like
3. Go back to a cold shower, 30 sec
4. Warm shower as long as you like
5. Go back to a cold shower, 30 sec

Repeat this 5 days this week.


Im not feeling that good tonight. I started with liposomal vitamin C yesterday that I felt bad from then, so its a mix from that, treating more often lately and the breathing exercise And anxiety around corona. So I will take it slower and wait with increasing and take a few days brake from it.

Post Edited (Deep_sleep) : 3/4/2020 12:21:48 PM (GMT-7)

I haven’t done the shower thing in a while but when I did it I had to build it up slowly or it would take my breath away. I would start with the water somewhat cold but not all of the way. Over the course of a few days you can make it colder. Also, sometimes I just put my head under the cold water to wake up.