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Posted 6/23/2020 2:10 PM (GMT -5)
Hi all,

I read people talking about eye drops.

I still have floaters and some light sensitivity, but I don’t know if there are any safe drops that work. Others say there’s no such thing.

If anyone could direct me or tell me a good safe place to get some.
Posted 6/23/2020 4:01 PM (GMT -5)
I think this is the one that bluelyme always recommends :

https://www.dancingbeeacres.com/BV-20-Eye-Drops_p_30.html

I hope you're not allergic to bee venom!
Posted 6/23/2020 4:06 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you.

That’s the one I came across but someone said don’t trust it and I don’t know what to believe. I’m not allergic to bee venom.
Posted 6/23/2020 4:09 PM (GMT -5)
Wait for bluelyme's confirmation though just to be on the safe side.

How long have you been doing the BVT? How many stings are you at?
Welcome to the wonderful world of bees!
Posted 6/23/2020 4:19 PM (GMT -5)
Honestly I haven’t done anything. I just read the drops are good for eye floaters. I’m on DSF for two more weeks and I’m done the 4 month course.
Posted 6/23/2020 4:42 PM (GMT -5)
Yes in theory the bee venom eye drops should be able to clear any vermin from the eye.

So are you contemplating starting the BVT protocol anytime in the future once you're off those abx? BVT is so much fun and it definitely helps with various ailments. I don't recommend combining BVT with abx. You can safely combine the former with herbs though.

By the way how are you tolerating that Disulfiram? Any nasty side effects to watch out for? Has it helped with any of your symptoms so far?
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Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 12/23/2020 7:52:30 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 6/23/2020 9:50 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks for all the info.

I want it just for the floaters.

In truth, DSF is hell. Most have said the same that until you’re off, you’re going to go through hell.

I saw initial improvements but then as I upped the dose it kicked me badly.

I had taken it before but stopped because it was too much and it didn’t do the job. This time I stayed the course and did the full four months.

I’ll let you know how it went.
Posted 6/24/2020 12:12 PM (GMT -5)
Can anyone speak on the drops? I know floaters have been said it’s good, how about photophobia?

I won’t try until I’m done the disulfarim in two weeks to see where I’m at and just to make sure there’s no adverse reaction, but just want as much info as possible. Don’t want to be putting anything in my eyes that I’m not learned about.

Thanks in advance.
Posted 6/27/2020 1:12 PM (GMT -5)
well im not sure if it was the drops or bvt on the head that cleared up my extreme photosensitivity. tvs and movie screens were washed out white , maddogs were a permanent fixture on my face during day, made night driving almost impossible. they got better when i cleared toxoplasmosis and even used tobrimycin abx eyedrops and silver when they used make em. one lymenet person swears by mangosteen, vit A deficiency was definitely a factor
Posted 6/27/2020 3:25 PM (GMT -5)

bluelyme said...
well im not sure if it was the drops or bvt on the head that cleared up my extreme photosensitivity. tvs and movie screens were washed out white , maddogs were a permanent fixture on my face during day, made night driving almost impossible. they got better when i cleared toxoplasmosis and even used tobrimycin abx eyedrops and silver when they used make em. one lymenet person swears by mangosteen, vit A deficiency was definitely a factor

So should I use the drops in my eyes? You said around the head. Just trying to make sure I use it right.

What’s mangosteen?
Posted 6/28/2020 7:47 AM (GMT -5)
yes drops i use in eyes and ears ... it burns slightly and may itch however i have been doing full stings on my head and body as primary treatment for 3 yrs with great success. see bvt threads for more info...
i believe mangosteen is derived from fruit , your local health food store should be able to help
Posted 6/28/2020 5:40 PM (GMT -5)

bluelyme said...
yes drops i use in eyes and ears ... it burns slightly and may itch however i have been doing full stings on my head and body as primary treatment for 3 yrs with great success. see bvt threads for more info...
i believe mangosteen is derived from fruit , your local health food store should be able to help


Great, thanks so much.

For the ears did it help with tinnitus at all?
Posted 6/29/2020 10:45 AM (GMT -5)
ya however i was putting garlic mullen ear oil and acs silver regularly and intermittently....ringing and vertigo stopped at month 9..... and to re-iterate i was doing many full stings and herbs at the time.
Posted 6/29/2020 3:34 PM (GMT -5)

bluelyme said...
ya however i was putting garlic mullen ear oil and acs silver regularly and intermittently....ringing and vertigo stopped at month 9..... and to re-iterate i was doing many full stings and herbs at the time.


Thanks so much - really appreciate it.

I’ll let you know how it goes.
Posted 7/16/2020 4:49 PM (GMT -5)
What was the verdict on the bee eye drops, did they offer any benefit, I'm always nervous about testing things on the eyes
Posted 7/17/2020 9:38 AM (GMT -5)
I'm curious why no nvt and abx at same time? I did both at my docs recommendation for two and a half years at same time. Never had a problem.
Posted 7/17/2020 11:13 AM (GMT -5)
how ya doin mike ? disulfiram still?thats just ellie lobels doctrine not to use abx and her reasoning is venom works better on ketes when they're not encysted by abx . when i met her she said it works just takes longer. i know bartonella has two cell walls so i was doublen n triplen it up to cover bases ... yes the eyedrops burn and yes they helped but i was doing tx concurrently.
Posted 7/17/2020 3:30 PM (GMT -5)

bluelyme said...
how ya doin mike ? disulfiram still?thats just ellie lobels doctrine not to use abx and her reasoning is venom works better on ketes when they're not encysted by abx . when i met her she said it works just takes longer. i know bartonella has two cell walls so i was doublen n triplen it up to cover bases ... yes the eyedrops burn and yes they helped but i was doing tx concurrently.

What did you add on top of BVT to address Bart? Did it work for you?
Posted 7/17/2020 4:30 PM (GMT -5)
i lasted 4 months on riffy and zith . i was also pulsing roceph which burrascano thinks pauses bart . then i switched to zhangs combo of allicin and hh2 and upped stings to 3x a week doing way more than 10 fulls per session. one kinesio guy said i was in remission however upon home giemsa staining it appears to be reduced and hidden intercellularly. i pulse alinia once a month and do bvt 2-3 times a month now as maintenance. i do have some semblance of a life now comparatively. not everyone's constitution can handle the herxes like i did mind you i had iv help in the form of regular glutathione and high dose vitamin C ...
Posted 7/18/2020 9:17 AM (GMT -5)
Bluelyme I thought you were slaying it but "a semblance of a life relatively" didn't sound all that convincing are you still struggling with a lot of symptoms I'm only asking because I'm considering looking into Bvt but as you know researching a new protocol is it significant time commitment. Thanks
Posted 7/19/2020 12:46 PM (GMT -5)
considering they said id be dead or on a cpap by now id say im 'slaying it '. when it jumped to als lyme after a sulfa incident i wasn't exactly a normal lyme patient. i also didn't have the luxury of weighing protocols, as the nerve damage was evident. i couldn't hold a gallon jug or walk in a store unassisted , couldn't drive due to the vertigo. note the nerve damage and consequential muscle loss may be irreversable and i have learned to live with the limitations of the structural damage that a life with borrelia has caused . i can now watch tv where it was to bright to see i can pull words and think where before i was unconsciously biting my silver tounge. i have built and ridden three motorcycles this year and the android version of our app is due for release soon ... 'crushing it' would be more accurate but dont let testimonials or eva sapis medical papers on venom convince you. i started with venex creme and it relieved the excruciating bone pain i am no longer in and i was hooked reeled and gutted. see og bee venom thread for more info or inspiration.
Posted 7/20/2020 7:38 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Blue. I thought I responded to you already but I must have messed something up? I'm doing "ok". Haven't started disulfiram yet waiting to hear from llmd. There may be a problem with blood work. Also in quarentine. Although we have been very careful and love on the country our grandson's mother has not been. She took two vacations and goes out every night. She picked him up for the first time in three weeks,had him over night and brought him back (he's better off staying with us anyway). A few days after he had a fever and then she let is know she has tested positive for covid. We just found out he is positive as well. Still waiting on the results for the rest of us but if he has it o almost certainly do. He is with me all the time. I hope grandson and kids don't get any of the lifelong problems.
He had a fever and other symptoms but received an accidental sting on hand before we knew about any covid in him or his mom. The next day fever gone a d feeling better. Once we got the covid need the whole family stung.
I hope you are well blue.
Posted 7/20/2020 12:09 PM (GMT -5)
thanks for the update mike . i will keep you and your family in our thoughts and prayers . the herb tincture boneset or lomatium may help those who cannot sting ...do keep us posted .
Posted 7/26/2020 11:35 AM (GMT -5)
about a week on the eye drops. Don’t really see any improvement on the floaters. Is there a timeline I should expect?

Thanks!
Posted 7/26/2020 11:40 AM (GMT -5)
Were there any other benefits or side effects wanted or unwanted?
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