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Posted 8/13/2020 5:56 AM (GMT -5)
this study summarises what's known about tick transmission of Bart
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/207305818.pdf

a couple of quotes : -
The prevalence of Bartonella DNA in hard
ticks in Europe has been shown to be as high as 40 %
[158]

Vector competence has been demonstrated experimentally by the use of artificial tick-feeding procedures
for B. henselae [171]

although not 100% proven in wild conditions I think this proves its possible - but of course, there will be many variables such as the time since the ticks last blood meal, the virulence of the bart strain in humans, the hosts immune system status etc etc

its also worth noting that bacteria like bart specializes in producing chronic infections (often asymptomatic ones) in its target host - so it could well be that lots of us are exposed to and infected by bart during our lifetimes. But in most cases, just as it does with most infections - our immune system manages that OK until some other insult or injury comes along. eg lyme, life crisis etc

so there may be more than one way to get Lyme with Bart
Posted 8/13/2020 6:39 AM (GMT -5)

orbitingaround said...

No. I've never had head lice or fleas. I've never owned a pet that has had fleas. I've owned dogs that repeatedly picked up ticks in the woods. I grew up on Long Island, spent summers in the Hamptons, Block Island, Montauk, Vermont, and the woods of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, and had many ticks on me over the years. My mother was a naturalist who taught nature classes on LI, and a Girl Scout leader, so we spent literally my entire childhood in the woods hiking and camping. Guess what -- she also has Lyme.

I'm also a logical, sane person who understands that since I have Lyme disease and Bartonella I most likely GOT IT FROM A TICK.

You got CAT scratch fever from a TICK, dog? 😂😂
Posted 8/13/2020 7:32 AM (GMT -5)
I did finally find a lab that reported statistics on Bartonella showing up in their tick testing. I stand corrected.

https://www.tickcheck.com/statistics
Posted 8/13/2020 9:30 AM (GMT -5)

skinny_joe said...
I did finally find a lab that reported statistics on Bartonella showing up in their tick testing. I stand corrected.

https://www.tickcheck.com/statistics

interesting info

around 15% had Bart - which was the average of all the studies in the review i posted to above so seems to be a fair number.

ps you know you are getting old when all the people starting companies look like teenagers to you!
see https://www.tickcheck.com/about
Posted 8/13/2020 10:23 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks for posting that lab link. That’s interesting information on the statistics. One difference I noticed between this lab and UMASS is that the comprehensive test at UMASS will test for all of the pathogens regardless of the tick species. IMO, that’s an important difference.

I never cease to be amazed at the depth and breadth of speculation and assumptions when it comes to medical science. They will state that only tick species A carries pathogens xyz. Yet they don’t routinely test all tick species for pathogens xyz, so how could they know? Even if they had done extensive testing at one time or in one place, does that make it true throughout all time and in all places? Of course not.

Garzie,
LOL!!! I looked at the pics. They really do look like kids, LOL!!
Posted 8/13/2020 2:14 PM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Thanks for posting that lab link. That’s interesting information on the statistics. One difference I noticed between this lab and UMASS is that the comprehensive test at UMASS will test for all of the pathogens regardless of the tick species. IMO, that’s an important difference.

I never cease to be amazed at the depth and breadth of speculation and assumptions when it comes to medical science. They will state that only tick species A carries pathogens xyz. Yet they don’t routinely test all tick species for pathogens xyz, so how could they know? Even if they had done extensive testing at one time or in one place, does that make it true throughout all time and in all places? Of course not.

They do surveillance testing each year around me. Its U maine that does it, it would not surprise me if they test different species for each pathogen they are a university and its probably students doing the testing who get bored. Unlike a company that would try and get it done as quick as possible.

Around me (my backyard) pretty much any adult tick has borrelia when I first moved here I would mail in any tick I found usually 2-3 a year they were always adult females and they always had borrelia. Only one had babesia. It used to be $5 its $15 now for them to check them. I dont mail them in anymore unless I find them rooted on one of us. The nymphs I think sometimes dont have anything because they havent had as many blood meals yet. You can never find them though.
Posted 8/13/2020 3:07 PM (GMT -5)
In the area of California where I live the tick testing labs only check for borellia. In some other parts of the state, within an hour of us, there are labs that also test for miyamotoi which has been shown to be more prevalent than borellia. Miyamotoi causes many symptoms similar to borellia and TBRF but for some bizarre reason it is not yet reportable. Go figure.
Posted 8/13/2020 3:27 PM (GMT -5)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200617100426.htm

This is interesting. Sorry if someone has already posted this and I missed it.
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