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Posted 11/30/2020 1:39 PM (GMT -5)
Hi everyone, I hope you all had a nice Thanksgiving. I have not been on here in a long time, and I wish I had more time to devote to this site.

Anyway, I actually need advice. I had a major infection in my 15 year old root canal. I had it redone, but I also had to take Augmentin for 14 days. This, unfortunately, stirred things up. I am really feeling pretty sick. I decided taking doxycycline (had some leftover from my daughter's Rx when she was using it for acne). It actually helped alot. I stopped it, bc I ran out, and now I feel awful again. I did this in order to see if I was correct in that I am suffering a lyme flare. The doxy would not have helped if that wasn't the case. The dilemma I am in is that I don't want to take any more antibiotics. I am trying to decide the best path for me to take. I am very familiar with Buhner, so I was thinking to start with Cat's Claw and JKW today and then build up the protocol from there.

Does anyone have different advice they would recommend?

My flare started with muscle twitches, fatigue muscle pulls, back pain, massive heart palpitations and headaches.
Now I am left with just fatigue and headaches, but the headaches are KILLING ME. I have had a headache for 5 days straight. Nothing is helping. I never was diagnosed with Babesia, is it possible to have Babesia without air hunger?

Thanks in advance for any help!!
Posted 11/30/2020 3:59 PM (GMT -5)
its a tricky one

i think its possible augmentin makes some people feel very ill - so its just possible that this could explain some of your symptoms - thsi should certainly subside once your course for the root canal is finished so - might kind of resolve itself.

of course, it could be a Lyme flare-up brought on by the stress of the root canal infection - if so - JK and Cats claw are a good start if going the natural route.

Chinese skullcap is also v safe - has anti spirochetal properties ( recently discovered by Dr Zhang and is also good for headaches and pain in general ) so that would perhaps be a good addition.

beyond that the most significant additions to buhners protocol in the second edition of his Healing lyme are
1, Chinese cats claw ( Uncaria Rhynchoplilia ) for immune modulation on CNS inflammation
2, Red Sage root/ Dan Shen - as an immune adaptogen - and protector of endothelial cells and various organs - liver/ spleen etc useful in all chronic bacterial infections
Posted 11/30/2020 4:03 PM (GMT -5)
Ok, thank you. Root canal is all done, its been a few weeks. This flare started off slowly. Thanks for your input.
Posted 11/30/2020 4:23 PM (GMT -5)
Chappelle,

You said the root canal was redone. Sounds like you saw a regular dentist. Root canals bad. Have you seen a biological dentist? If not, that dental situation could very well be your problem rather than Lyme. Check IAOMT site for more information and to find a dentist.

I second the recommendation for Chinese skullcap. Also kudzu root and licorice with it should help calm things.
Posted 11/30/2020 4:33 PM (GMT -5)
Well my root canal was redone by an endodontist. I know they can be bad, but I didn't have much of a choice. Unless there are options out there I am unaware of.

I have heard of chinese skullcap, will definitely look into it, thank you.
Posted 11/30/2020 5:07 PM (GMT -5)
Chapelle, I'm kind of in the same boat, though I have not "relapsed" or flared yet. I have been off of abx for 6 months now and feel great, but deep down know there is a good chance of it coming back full force and when it does, I do not want to take any abx. My lingering symptoms are minor and also include occassional twitching and palps. Last time I relapsed the heart palps were the indicator, about one month in advance of my other symptoms appearing. You do read many others who treat maybe once per year with a short course of abx, though. Maybe it's just something that we have to accept. If I was confident herbals worked, I would not hesitate to go that route next time I flare up, but I have tried them before and didn't notice any improvement.
Posted 11/30/2020 5:12 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Fronton!!!

Have you read that, now that is interesting - I would accept treating once a year, but the question is for how long? I was contemplating doing it for 6 weeks to see where it would take me.
You didn't just stop abx for the first time right?? I only treated for 8 months in 2014 and have been managing since. the best thing for me is exercise. When I stopped augmentin, my back went out, i stopped exercising and went downhill from there.
I am glad you are doing better though!!
Posted 11/30/2020 5:21 PM (GMT -5)
When I say once per year, I guess I really mean when they flare up (infrequent), it is treated with a short course of abx. I have read that numerous places, usually an article.

I didn't just stop abx, but I have been pulsing infrequently (I would take extended breaks). 6 months is the longest I have gone and so far so good.

Funny you mention exercise!!! I am glad you said that because I suspect exercise has been helping me these past 6 months as well. In June I bought a Garmin watch and started running and cycling. Since then, I have lost about 40 pounds and run 30 miles per week on top of cycling 50-100 miles per week as well. I ran a 45 min 10k and 1:43 half marathon. I have mentioned this before, but I LOVE to think that this is helping me by either strengthening my immune system and/or keeping the Lyme in check by all the saturated oxygen in my blood from exercise. The finger oxygen sensor they do while you wait for your doctor, mine came in at 100.
Posted 12/1/2020 3:09 AM (GMT -5)
Sorry to hear Chapelle! It's so difficult to know what to do....take abx...or herbs...or wait it out?

I am on a Maintenance program ala Dr. J. I have been 'stretching' my cycles out.
Supposed to be one week on (taking abx M/W/ThF) and three weeks off.

I've been stretching it to 5/6 (and once even longer) weeks off.

My lingering symptoms aren't constant...but I'm wondering if I need to be diligent about going back on after 3 weeks off...and not stretching the off time.

So difficult to know...isn't it?
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