EBV

So was watching a video of the Dr at the Spero clinic and she was saying that when your WBC is low and lymphocytes are high normally indicates a viral infection. Also said ebv IgG titers over 500 indicate an infection.

My wbc has always been between a 2.8-3.5. Finally being on keto it has gone up to 4.5, highest reading in 7y, but still lowish. With high lymphocytes (like 36%) and ebv titers at 850 and high hhv-6 titers.

Temped to give her protocol a shot. My friend who went to Spero and did it says his ebv titers went from 800 to 200.

Part of the protocol is obviously monolaurin. Curious if this is likely to cause a big herx?

Also, anyone successfully treat ebv and have it improve their symptoms? Do people believe a high igg titer is meaningful

Not sure how much stock to put in this but my low wbc has always nagged me and just kicking tires on a quiet day

I may give it a go but start very very slowly. 1/4 scoop. It should hit the Candida as well.

Supposedly works well for viruses as my buddy did 3m of valtrex didn’t touch his ebv titer, yet the 4m of monolaurin dropped it right down

some say Lauric acid works too in the same way - its in coconut oil ( a fairly large proportion of the fatty acids that make up coconut oil are lauric acid)- i am not certain if there is confusion out there where people thinks its one and the same thing or if it does in fact have similar properties.

i did note that lauric acid has some studies on it in its own right. reverses some epigenetic changes in abnormal cells - promotes apoptosis etc -

i mention it only because its a useful addition to a Keto lifestyle anyway - if you are not already - which i know you are following - as the medium chain fatty acids are very easily absorbed and its a easy way to add healthy fats

Interseting saraeli. Is your WBC lowered?


Question is does WBC get lowered due to mold/Candida or is that more of an indicator for viral infection?

So the protcol my friend did to get his numbers down to 200 was NAC, zinc, selenium, monolaurin, lysine and immunoplex.

I suspect its the monolaurin, lysine and immunoplex that helped. I am going to add in low levels of lysine and monolaurin, see if that helps. I also clearly have some candida/sibo/yeast in my GI tract so maybe will help w/ that too, we will see.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 4/21/2021 10:02:27 AM (GMT-6)

saraeli said...
WBC were always low or borderline low from when I got sick (January 2016) until about two years ago. Have not had my EBV titers re-tested in that time.

People do seem to herx on monolaurin, but I have heard of it being very helpful. Hope it makes a difference for you.

Thanks!

Did the wbc climbing correlate with an improvement in Health/symptoms?

That’s interesting, because as I mentioned my WBC is a 4.4 after 6m of keto. The previous 4y it ranged from a 2.4-3.4.

It must rise the healthier you get, and the better condition your immune system gets in. Probably includes healing the microbiome, but like you I think that a big part of it is the autonomics. I assume that your immune system will remove the viruses on its own, but I will still try the monoluarin to see if I can help it along

All my problems began with EBV which I contracted as an adult. I am still uncertain as to whether the African tick bite fever I suffered through as a teenager is even involved (although I have had many of the symptoms people report here). Anyway, monolaurin absolutely slayed me....most debilitating headaches ever (and strings of candida coming out in my stool). Didn't cure me but seemed to do a lot! Similar to saraeli, my biggest gains have been from treating MCAS and from leaving my immune system alone to do its own thing (perhaps my most impressive improvements have come from going on a carnivore diet--but this is controversial and I am not going to push it here). Anyway, for the first time in a decade I feel as though recovery is a very real possibility, and I am once again a functioning member of society. My WBC was also chronically low with eosinophilia, but as I haven't checked it recently I can't update you.

Is monolaurin something you can get over the counter or need a script? If otc what brand looks to be good?

My WBC fluctuates between 3’s and 4’s. It bothers me, too. I think it’s from a suppressed immune system. It was in the 4’s in January, but I was also having UTI symptoms at the time, so likely an acute infection of some sort.

I wish I knew what my WBC was before I got sick, but I don’t remember.

just noticed mentions of raised eosinophils in a couple of the posts here.

i had this in one of two of my CBC's - one of which was taken during a severe herx like reaction

as far as i can gather, this not typically associated with viral infections. the classical explanation is usually that eosinophilia is most often a sign of a parasitic infection
so could it be a sign for babesia or similar parasitic pathogen?

or is it simply a sign that the immune system is messed up in lyme/chonic disease ?
other causes are cancer and allergic reaction.

Garzie said...
just noticed mentions of raised eosinophils in a couple of the posts here.

i had this in one of two of my CBC's - one of which was taken during a severe herx like reaction

as far as i can gather, this not typically associated with viral infections. the classical explanation is usually that eosinophilia is most often a sign of a parasitic infection
so could it be a sign for babesia or similar parasitic pathogen?

or is it simply a sign that the immune system is messed up in lyme/chonic disease ?
other causes are cancer and allergic reaction.

I think it's linked to MCAS or, as you said, allergic reaction. Not necessarily an allergy but a reaction to histamine release nevertheless.

WalkingbyFaith said...
Seb4,

You mentioned that monolaurin caused “strings of candida” to come out in your stool.

Do you have any pictures of it, or can you describe its appearance?

I have ropeworm, but I have also had large expulsions of greenish yellow stringy seaweed looking stuff that I have wondered about. Not sure if it’s candida or other yeast or early stage ropeworm.

No photos...sorry. But it was white strings with a mozzarella like texture and consistency.

dcd - I have not been online so just now seeing your post. I'm wondering if you had your VCA - IgM, VCA - IgG and EBNA - IgG all checked when your doctor did the EBV test. Wondering because it is odd how a current or past infection is determined, according to chart that shows what positives and negatives mean. Also, I've had three doctors tell be EBV-DNA test is best way to see if EBV is replicating.

My last EBV test early April showed very high positives in all three mentioned above. And according to the chart that comes with results to determine what results mean, a positive in all three indicates a "past infection." Positives in VCA-IgM, VCA-IgG and negative in EBNA-IgG means a current infection. It took me two years to figure that out as doctor I was seeing and naturopath were saying I'm positive for EBV. But when I finally had EBV-DNA tests done, each were negative, again, meaning EBV was not replicating.

Maybe others have a different angle on this, but it's what I've been told a number of times now by different medical experts - from infectious disease doctors to Dr. Jernigan, the negative EBV-DNA and the other tests show EBV is not active. I don't know if any of the results above relate to you.