Herb Sources and Dosing

I recently started on a protocol for Lyme/Bart/babesia. Currently using

Samsara tick immune 4 caps 2x daily

Banderol/Otoba bark (Nutrimedix)
Samento (Nutrimedix)
Cats claw (woodland essence, WE)
Chinese skullcap (WE)
Japanese knotweed (WE)
houttuynia (WE)
CSA (WE)

Started out at 3 drops each 2x daily last week and am up to 9 drops of each twice daily. Think I may jump up to 20 or so and go from there since I haven’t noticed much in the way of herx or side effects.

Can anyone comment on their experience as far as dosing (woodland suggests quite high doses) and how woodland essence compares to Nutrimedix in terms of strength?

I’ve got 5 strains of Lyme, bartonella, babesia, and toxoplasmosis but haven’t really herxed at all besides being a little more tired and interested to titrate up as quick as I can.

Post Edited (Swim15) : 8/26/2021 5:04:54 PM (GMT-6)

WalkingbyFaith said...
I would not jump from 9 to 20 drops. Lower and slower is a much better way to go.

I only used Woodland Essence. Nutramedix is insanely overpriced. Some people tolerate Samento and not cat’s claw, but many notice no difference. Woodland Essence is high quality.

Thanks for the input! May not jump that quickly, mostly just want to get moving with it and I haven’t noticed much so far. After talking with my doc I was expecting non-stop herx symptoms

I used Buhner’s protocols to define target doses, rather than the bottle directions. I could only tolerate tiny doses of many herbs, so I never got anywhere near Buhner’s starting doses, let alone max doses.

I noticed you didn’t list Japanese knotweed. That’s the core herb for Lyme and bartonella. I use it in powdered form, which is much cheaper. I get the powder from 1st Chinese Herbs. They have powdered cat’s claw and houttuynia, too. CSA should be used in tincture form. Not sure how effective powdered houttuynia or houtty tea are in comparison to tincture.

I just looked up Samsara, and it has JK plus an overlap of many of the tinctures.

You just started last week. Herxing doesn’t always hit right away, and not everyone herxes. Some don’t herx at, but as they continue they gradually see improvements.

I would hold the doses where they’re at until you’re 3 full weeks in. For me, herxes started around the 3 week mark and avalanched. It was like I would holler pea-knuckles and have to back off, recover, and slowly restart again. It’s counterproductive. Low and slow will get you there faster.

It can take months to see noticeable improvements. For some, the progress is so gradual, they don’t even realize it. There’s no shortcut with tick-borne infections, unfortunately.

I actually am using Japanese knotweed as well from WE, forgot to list it.

As far as the mold, I moved out of my house and am selling it. Ive cleaned most of my things and had one piece of furniture professionally cleaned. My exposure was to an aspergillus toxin so I wasn’t dead set on throwing my stuff out and my doc didn’t think it was necessary either. Different story with stachy or something. Noticed massive improvements from that but I also have active IgM antibodies to multiple strains of Lyme. DNA testing was done but negative, not a real surprise since I believe Ive had lyme for a very long time.

Primary symptoms…massive fatigue, brain fog, emotional blunting, food intolerances, and migraines among another dozen + symptoms.

I did have fatigue increases and some additional joint pain with the Lyme herbs but it only takes about a day to go away after a dose bump.

Do you take supplements or drugs for MCAS?

Walkingbyfaith -

I don’t have MCAS so no. I believed I was having histamine issues which seem to have all but cleared since leaving the mold.

I haven’t had real improvement from anything until moving and now I can definitely feel the Lyme protocol I’m on doing something. Ozone maybe helped a little as well as IV nutrients but the benefits compared to moving were negligible.


As far as antifungals, Ive used fluconazole in the past once for a very mild elevated Candida level from a stool test. No cholestyramine. Stool analysis looks good now

I’m adding in teasel root as well as some additional oral Japanese knotweed and probably andrographis. Full protocol will look like…

AHCC - 1 cap twice daily
Beta glucan - 2 caps twice daily
Reshi extract - 2 caps twice daily
Liposomal essential oils 30ml daily

Cats claw - 4 capsules 3x daily
Japanese knotweed - 4 capsules 3x daily
Andrographis - 4 capsules 3x daily
Tick Immune - 4 capsules 2x daily

Tinctures -
Otoba bark/banderol
Cats claw
Samento
Chinese skullcap
Japanese knotweed
Houttuynia
CSA
Teasel root

Goal is to work up to at least 4ml per day of each tincture, 8ml max if possible. Currently on 12 drops of each twice daily so got a ways to go to reach 120 but been progressing pretty quickly.

Using IR sauna, epsom salt baths, binders, glutathione, SAMe injections, and Burbur/Pinella to detox. Can do IV nutrients as well but gonna leave it out unless I really need it