Novavax

It has been reported that if you’re vaxed and get Covid - the symptoms won’t be as bad.
It can keep you out of the hospital

Has anyone here (or anyone who knows someone with lyme/co etc..) that has tried this one?

I reacted very poorly to pfizer 1st shot. Chose not to get the second shot.

Quin said...
If you're that worried about getting covid, ask your doctor for a prescription for mepron. I was unvaxxed when I got infected, but mepron cleared up my covid symptoms with minimal side effects.

What is mepron? I haven't heard of that.

I have chronic lyme disease for 20+ years. I never got vaccinated and got COVID about 3 weeks ago. It affected me pretty strongly, to the point that I was wondering if I would kick the bucket. Felt like death for about 3 days. However, I made it through. 3 weeks out, I am still quite tired and have to force myself to get through work.

What I'm concerned about is my elderly parents. One is 78 and one is 80. They never got the vaccine either. I'm concerned about whether they'll be able to weather the storm if they contract COVID. It might have just been particularly bad for me because I have Lyme disease. I'm hoping they won't have it as bad as I got it. But I'm also younger and stronger than they are.

I was thinking about suggesting to my mom to get the Novavax shot, although she is pretty against the vaccine at this point with so many people dying from blood clots. I'm kind on the fence about whether she should get it or not. Ultimately it's her choice. There's so much conflicting and confusing information out there, it's hard to know what the right path to take is.

ravenhome777 said...


What I'm concerned about is my elderly parents. One is 78 and one is 80. They never got the vaccine either. I'm concerned about whether they'll be able to weather the storm if they contract COVID. It might have just been particularly bad for me because I have Lyme disease. I'm hoping they won't have it as bad as I got it. But I'm also younger and stronger than they are.

I was thinking about suggesting to my mom to get the Novavax shot, although she is pretty against the vaccine at this point with so many people dying from blood clots. I'm kind on the fence about whether she should get it or not. Ultimately it's her choice. There's so much conflicting and confusing information out there, it's hard to know what the right path to take is.

i'm not sure what data source you / they are using for the judgement of relative risk of blood clots vs covid - and its not my role to convice you either way.

but all the scientific data i have seen from reputable sources shows death from vaccine associated clots as 0.2 per 100,000 in the over 69's and that risk then falling with increasing age ( that's around 2 deaths per million people )

where as death rate from covid in the unvaccinated was put at around 1-2% in the general population - but numbers studies show the risk is up to 50x greater in the unvaccinated over 65's vs unvaccinated people under 50 - and this rapidly increases with advancing age - so that's more like a 50/50 chance of death! in other words a coin toss.

i have not looked up exact numbers - as the numbers change over time as ICU gets better at saving people - the virus mutates etc etc - but the relative risks are so far apart its not really necessary.

who's ever data you use there are 100's of times greater risk of dying ( including from covid driven blood clots) from covid vs the vaccine in the over 65's.

Ravinhome777,

I can empathize with your concerns. The decision on whether or not to vaccinate is a difficult one. I can only offer you my experience with COVID-19 and some of my observations.

Last fall, hubby and I both contracted COVID-19 omicron. He was vaccinated, no Lyme disease. No auto immune conditions. And an endurance athlete. I was unvaccinated, Lyme disease. A known autoimmune condition and in no way and endurance athlete.

The reports suggested that I would have struggled more with the virus given my underlying health conditions and the fact that I am not in the cardiovascular condition that my husband is in. While I experienced more classic flu symptoms, achiness, headache and fever he was hit much harder in the respiratory tract. I remember being so worried about him one night in particular because he was coughing constantly and unable to get any sleep.

We both recovered in roughly the same amount of time. While I know this does not help you to make a decision with your parents I thought I would offer you a few of my observations during our Covid experience.

I am happy to hear that you are on the road to recovery. Best to you and your family.

ravenhome777,

Yes, you can still get COVID after vaccination. Vaccination never has meant you can't get infected with a pathogen. For example, vaccination against COVID or the flu won't stop those viruses from getting into your mouth, nose, eyes if you come in contact with them.

It's important to go over, in layman's terms, cause I'm a layman lol, what vaccination does. It elicits an immune response to generate protections against a pathogen that exists in nature. Once vaccinated the body produces antibodies. The body also produces T-cells and B-cells. The antibodies that you would get in the immediate aftermath of vaccination or infections are called neutralizing antibodies. This means you actively have these proteins circulating. If you were to come into contact with COVID at this time you might hardly feel it as the circulating antibodies when be in the blood already to swallow them up. However, these antibodies contract after a period of time. With COVID, from my understanding, they contract quite significantly after 3 - 4 months. However, the memory cells, like B-cells, last much longer. Think of these as your conductors. When you become exposed to COVID, or whatever disease, these memory cells instruct the body to make antibodies again. They already know what COVID looks like. They have "memory" and can get to work right away. The unfortunate part of that is it can take a day or two for the body to really ramp up and make enough antibodies to overtake the replicating virus. So you might feel sick for a day or two. Compare this to having no immune exposure to the virus and having your immune system having to start from scratch.

I agree with you that people are pretty made up in their minds about this subject at this point. However, if you can convince your parents to get vaccinated you could possibly save their lives. At 78 and 80 they are at high risk of a serious illness, hospitalization, and even death. As we age our immune systems become less and less effective. It's critically important that elderly people are vaccinated against COVID. Some people around that age are still dying despite being vaxxed with 2 doses and sometimes even 3. That's why it seems like vaccinations are being handed out like candy to the elderly.

I'm not aware of Novavax being any better or worse than the mRNA vaccines. They use different delivery systems. Pfizer and Moderna use mRNA. Novavax uses a lab made spike protein without the genetic material. They have different delivery systems but both use the spike protein to elicit an immune response.

Post Edited (Lymie24) : 7/18/2022 4:30:29 PM (GMT-7)