Standard healthcare feeling threatened by alternative medicine and my recent waste of time there

Nothing new here, something everyone can relate to.

Im just venting about the standard western healthcare model. And my recent experience with a gut clinic.

This really says it all:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/why-are-doctors-so-against-alternative-medicine-1.188177

I recently asked my "gut" Dr why supplemental OxBile helps me digest more normal. (It seems to relieve and cured my SIBO symptoms).

The answer was: "this is a not a prescription medication so I do not know".

I say BS. This was nothing more than a way to blow me off. How can she not know? Bile is bile.

I was expecting some possible/optional gall bladder tests or at least some thoughts.............nothing of that sort.

Sounds like a regurgitated answer that management might tell their Dr staff to use as an answer.

[By the time I got the SIBO test shipped to me, my symptoms were almost gone due to treating myself,so-....the test was negative. I waited three weeks for the appt, then another week for the test, meanwhile I was treating myself with diet and more supplements than just oxbile (that is the best one though), this is all online. This whole thing is a repeat of last time a few years ago, so its not new to me].

The same clinic told me gut Candida does not exist about 12 years ago lol!!! Yet my family clinic tested me for it and Rx'd Diflucan for, and tested again that showed massive improvements - and insurance covered it.

Seems like its the specialty clinics that are so tunnel visioned.

rant done for now.................

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/17/2022 3:12:15 PM GMT

I read the article you linked. That article was fantastic and said it all in far better manner than I ever could have. One thing that doctors should be aware of is how foolish and ignorant they look to their patients when they act so hostile against alternative medicine, especially when the patient already has knowledge and personal experience with such and isn’t looking for “permission.”

I am blessed to have an older primary doctor who has been very tolerant, though largely unbelieving, of alternative and herbal medicine. He treats me with respect as a thinking adult and doesn’t play the patronizing parent role that many doctors do. He’s even taken notes before when I told him about supplements that helped me with certain problems where nothing else did.

Garzie - the one you linked to is a lot per serving!

I was taking 200mg per meal. Trying to do less. I read about a theory that it kills SIBO (alternative medicine theory, so probably correct lol).

Took me three months to wean off it in 2018 (same gut episode), Drs were puzzled then to but at least I got an abdominal image.

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So my episode started from:
high pork fat BBQ, fodmap side dishes with it, and gluten free alcohol (I have Gilberts liver syndrome) . What I think happened: Fodmaps fermented (creating high SIBO environment) higher than normal due to slow digesting pork meat meal which then increased FODMAP fermenting. From that point on digesting high fat red meats became difficult and SIBO symptoms set in even more. I had all the listed symptoms. Gilberts and alcohol dont mix well possibly creating even more low bile issues vs just Gilberts alone..

Standard healthcare recognizes (per googling many" Mayo, Hopkins ect type" sites) that SIBO makes digesting fats difficult, but wont connect the dots.

One specialist for gut, another for liver, neither pay attention to gallbladder unless you have "stones" in imaging. they are not team players at all... lol.

So does SIBO inflame the bile duct? I wonder.

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Additional info in my case -the Gilbert syndrome : I also have high Bilirubin at times and the "red" double copy defective gene with it. UGT1A1 gene = "Gilbert syndrome"....;

This can be related to many possible liver and gallbladder issues, usually temporary. Ive had short term Juandice from this in my past. Good news: My liver enzymes have remained in range levels well after ABX seven years ago (was elevated then)..

Im thinking this gene also can cause gut issues from the temp gall bladder issues known and documented (makes 100% sense). Its not far to connect my dots, but standard medicine has failed to do this.

UGT1A1 gene = "Gilbert syndrome and possible SIBO, other digestive issues:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338103455_total_bilirubin_is_associated_with_small_intestinal_bacterial_overgrowth_in_diarrhea_predominant_irritable_bowel_syndrome

there it is.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/18/2022 12:41:37 PM (GMT-7)

garzie- A higher dose just felt like to much to me. Kind of similar to when you try to much HCL. You'll see what I mean.

And...Im always trying to minimize my supplements in the long run by slowly tapering them off and finding the maintenance level ; if needed at all. Many digestive issues are cyclical.

[Acid re-flux is a great example, once you break the cycle and minimize what started it, you should no longer require the same supplement that healed it. Reflux Rx's never heal....they mask it and many times make it worse lol. Supplements can heal it until another episode happens from other faults like food choices ect. (been down that route years ago too).]

If you take too much tudca it will actually change the color of your stool, due to the amount of hydrophilic bile acid. Not sure if this information is helpful to you Garzie but just in case... It's pretty potent.

That’s the thing. It’s really best to compare gut supps when eating the same meals.....which can get tiresome but yields more accurate results.

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Tudca ,......is something I’ve never tried. I’ll read up on it again.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/20/2022 5:40:36 PM (GMT-7)

I just got some pomegranate extract to try also.

And I’m finally giving in to trying berberine,. I did some read some things about it possibly not being good for people that have the high Bilirubin gene but that was mostly infants, so I’m gonna give it a shot.

Johnnyrockets,

You have 17 posts at the time of my writing this. Every one of them is promoting kerosene and they were all posted today. Spamming is against forum rules. Please delete all these posts on kerosene.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 8/24/2022 6:56:06 AM (GMT-7)