Chlamydia pneumoniae the cause of my Story?

Hey, so im a bit stucked, so i need a bit an support from you guys. I was dealing with lyme quite allright the last 8 Years. Then covid and vaccine stuff hits me a bit and it went a bit worst. But not super worst, i was still working and running every day. I decided to take abx and then all went down. So in my theorie i get the chlamyida while i had the abx. (mino first single then +rifa) From till my journy started, i was quie in a bad shape in janaury. But then i went back on track with herbs and subl. but 4 weeks ago, it started my road going down again. Everything comes back same symptoms then last Winter. I read a bit about chlamyida and people having huge problem with is. I think my new symptoms where alle the cause from it. So i just dont know what to do? I tried all the buhner herbs for chlamydia, i ate clean, i take the usuualy supplements i support my detox and so on. I read about some Wheldon Protocoll for chlamidiay where you starting low with doxy (100mg) then you adding azi (pulsing) and then you raised the dosage and at the end you use metro. So should i go back to abx? I mean it went worst on an abx, so maybe its getting even worse now. Somebody got some expierence with wheldon? Or some ideas what i could do? thank you all! palermo

what is it that makes you think that Chlamydia Pn is responsible for your illness?

i do remember the David Wheldon site - and although it was compelling - i think it relied upon serology for his wife's diagnosis - and we know that's problematic in chronic illness. one problem seems to be people with chronic infections often seem to churn out lots of different antibodies in their efforts to try to target an elusive pathogen or pathogens. so for instance people with lyme can have cross reactive antibodies to many other pathogens - viruses, toxoplasmosis, proteobacteria species etc


part of me wonders if she could just have likely had some other stealth pathogen - or some other stealth pathogen AND Chlamydia Pn - and from the outside you would see the same outcomes - improvement after long courses of antibiotics - but it may not necessarily have been the Claymydia that was driving most symptoms. the antibiotics used were broad spectrum.

is his site still up online somewhere - i seem to recall it going dark some years ago ?

i tested positive for Chlamydia Pn at Armin - but dont have symptoms considered typical of Chlamydia Pn - no lung / respiratory symptoms - so its very hard to know if its really a major driver of my illness.

also very few LLMD's seem to consider it a major pathogen in the lyme complex
we do see serologic evidence it may be present in some lyme patients - but it is a common community acquired infection in the general population - so this would also be expected.

overall i think Most LLMD's seem to treat the 3 B's Borrelia, Bartonella and Babesia - and assume that the treatments for these 3 main players would also deal with any of the "lesser" pathogens adequately

hi Palermo

actually i think all of those symptoms are actually non-specific - ie could be caused by any of the lyme and coinfections group.

in general, i find it best to be wary of drawing conclusions about my health or treatment directions based on a single source or of what a person somewhere on the internet once wrote

instead i find it more useful to form conclusions or working theories based on careful consideration of multiple inputs and sources
here its important to not only seek out evidence that confirms to your theory - but to look specifically for evidence that would disconfirm it
only then are you able to weigh the evidence for and against and form any kind of balanced view

90% of people do not do this and spend a great deal of time going down rabbit holes that are not very productive

this is especially important when we are fearful or desperate - as this increases our reactivity - and makes us more prone to going off in an unproductive direction

of course - we rarely have all of the evidence on either side - so we are forced to navigate with less than a complete picture - but if the methodology is robust we at the very least have a better chance of finding our way.

all the best