Vibrant Wellness Full Panel Results

IgG positive for 3 types of Herpes which is common in the majority of the population so I guess I'm not too worried? Also came back IgG positive for Strep which I think is a common coinfection right? The 5 weeks of Doxy would've killed it right? IgG positive for Borrelia burgdorferi VisE1 and crude extract 297, IgM positive for Borrelia mayonii. I got tested about a month after getting Lyme so this makes sense that some are IgG positive and some are IgM positive since it takes around 4 weeks to go from IgM to IgG right? Also all the lyme and herpes results are orange so moderate and the strep is in red so risk but it's IgG and not IgM so I guess that means I've got a lot of antibodies that fought it? All coinfections came back green so either a false negative or I don't have them right? I got bit around June 20th, got on doxy July 3 and today is my last day of Doxy (5 weeks worth of Doxy). Also I know the CDC counts 5 bands as a positive for lyme and I think I only have 3 bands positive but I know LLMDs count 1 or 2 bands as positives. Does anyone have any advice or information about all of this? Also I'm a little confused on bands for lyme like the test doesn't say specific bands but it just says general strands that cause lyme. Do bands = strands or are bands found within the strands

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Do you think I should get more Doxy then? I’m currently taking cats claw and otoba bark extract tinctures but I also bought cryptolepsis capsules, biocidin, artemisin, and japanese knotweed that I’m waiting for them to arrive

I stopped doxy the day before yesterday and so far I've been good. I've been freaking out lately though as I'm a bit confused by my test results. For a ton of coinfections (west nile virus, powassan virus, parvovirus b19, bartonella, babesiosis, borrelia miyamotoii disease, tick borne relapsing fever, other borrelia species, human granulocytic anaplasmosis, human monocytic ehrlichiosis, rickettsial disease, tickborne encephalitis virus, chlamydophila pneumoniae, coxsackie virus, mycoplasma pneumoniae, cytomegalovirus, epstein barr virus, toxoplasma gondii) I showed IgG and IgM results for but I tested PCR negative for them? Someone I talked to said if I have antibodies for them then I should be treating them. All the ranges for those were in the green but this is actually scaring me so bad. Should I be in the hospital? That seems like an insane amount of coinfections too like did I get bit by the most insanely diseased tick? I tested through Vibrant Wellness full panel so if you know anything about this please let me know!

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according to vibrant wellness own materials - they don't really give positive / negative results

just what they term "a risk scale" which customers or their practitioners are supposed to use as one element of the assessment of potential diagnosis

testing for all tick born diseases is fraught with difficulties - even at the best labs
and vibrant is one of the 2nd tier tick borne disease testing labs -
in so far as it uses only antibody based testing - and goes to market on the basis of a all in one / low cost per organism tested basis - but we don't have much to support how accurate its test actually is

in any case according to their own literature - the only infection that came back as high risk - which presumably means high risk of causing you symptoms / problems was strep
this is offered in the context of potential PANDAS syndrome - which is typically more prevalent in children or adolescents - which can cause symptoms related problems / inflammation in the CNS - which could overlap with many symptoms of lyme disease - which is why i would guess they have included it.

but strep antibodies could also be from a superficial infection in the throat - or skin or elsewhere in the body that is not causing systemic symptoms - or any such past infection - so in your case - unless you have PANDAS symptoms i am not sure how relevant it is

regarding the herpes viruses - the antibody levels were all only just into the orange zone - i just above 10 - so i would be inclined to treat them as if they were in the green - ie normal - unless you have specific independent reasons to believe they are a problem

ref the Lyme testing
testing for lyme is problematic - especially testing via antibodies - not all people produce the expected antibodies
its also well documented that taking antibiotics early in the infection can prevent the host from making a measurable antibody response

what was the time line
bitten...?
started doxy...?
test blood draw taken on .....?
was there a bulls eye rash ....?

OK thanks for the quick responses

if you had a bulls eye rash - that is diagnostic for Lyme by itself - you do not need further testing for Lyme

unfortunately - no two tier test will be reliable after taking antibiotics early in the disease course - but again - if you had a bulls eye rash you don't need a test result to prove you have lyme.
( this doesn't mean no test is ever going to find you positive - just that the chances of false negatives is much higher if you have been treated with antibiotics early in the disease course)

what country are you in - as this will govern what guidelines the practitioners should be following - and you may be able to point them towards how they should be handling your case - eg ref the bulls eye rash

generally the outcomes are positive when lyme disease is treated early ( most of the people here are hard to treat cases because they went undiagnosed or misdiagnosed for years and the disease became established / chronic )

ref OCD. the causes of OCD are probably many and various - but certainly OCD can be related to PANDAS - and if it started when you were younger - then while not in any way conclusive - this would tend to fit with the pattern
so its possible - but not at all certain at this stage

i would look into it further - its quite new science but i believe there are more detailed tests available for PANDAS now - looking for specific PANDAS related markers in the blood

also look up "cunningham panel" - or maybe start another thread here asking for input on PANDAS specifically

sorry to hear this has happened to you - but you are not alone and you are in the right place - there are lots of helpful and knowledgeable people here

all the best!

ref retesting
be aware that when it comes to antibody based tests - there is no evidence, once tested positive ( or in your case - diagnosed positive for lyme disease via bulls eye rash) that retesting gives any information on the state of the infection - this is a common misconception - even among some practitioners.
unfortunately antibodies can vary over time or persist for years after all symptoms have resolved

again - ref antibiotics reducing the likelihood of positive test result - this is not a black and white effect - it just increases the chances of getting a false negative - so if a person were to test multiple times over several months its quite possible they could obtain a positive test result - or they may not - so, especially in these circumstances, all physicians should know that they should not take negative or equivocal test results as proof of lack of infection.

since you meet the criteria for a definitive diagnosis of lyme disease based on a bulls eye rash alone - can you clarify the purpose or objective you are trying to pursue via testing -

regarding using different test houses - the issue with serologic testing becoming less reliable after antibiotics is not related to the testing or the test house - but to the patients immune response.
giving antibiotics - especially early in the course of infection - alters the course of the immune response - and may prevent the expected antibodies from forming at any point. if this occurs it will not matter where the test is done - or potentially even when its done - as its the patient is not producing the antibodies or not in the quantity required - that the test looks for .

ref official guidelines for Lyme treatment in the USA

actually the USA has the most extreme schism in the medical community of any nation - and in fact seems to be the source of the split

at present its a complete mess - as different medical bodies take very different views

-the CDC/IDSA and a few others take the view that its an easily diagnosed and easily treated infection that has no chronic state - only a post infectious syndrome - this is at odds with the majority of peer reviewed science on the topic - including from the USA and around the world.
however even the guidelines proposed by this group accept a bulls eye rash as definitive evidence of lyme disease
IDSA guidelines here: https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/lyme-disease/

- ILADS - this group includes fully trained medical doctors (MD's) who specialise in treating Lyme disease and associated conditions - they believe Lyme disease is difficult to diagnose, has a chronic form that is often hard to treat, and is often complicated by coinfections and comorbidities requiring long term treatment. of the two groups this group is far more focussed on the most up to date science and patients needs.
ILADS guidelines here https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

if you do need extended treatment - its very unlikely doctors who are not in the second group will prescribe that - as they are taught not to believe in chronic lyme

however - in most cases - early treatment - as in your case - is normally sufficient to prevent chronic disease or long term problems

i have never heard of strep infections being common co-infections with lyme disease.
i am sure it does happen - but its not a recognised co-infection of lyme.
perhaps your doctor meant that PANDAS is relatively common in people with Lyme - this does seem to be teh case - but its not clear if strep is the cause of PANDAS like syndromes in all cases - or if other infections can trigger the same syndrome

beyond what i have written so far - i am afraid i have not dug deeply into PANDAS so cannot offer more on that specifically - but others here may well have something to add - so i would suggest a sperate post on that specifically - as its likely to be missed here

overall - you were diagnosed early, received appropriate treatment early and - unless you still have symptoms - you have a very good chance of experiencing no further issues from lyme disease.

are you still experiencing lyme disease symptoms?

if you know you have had strep in the past that is probably the explanation for the IgG antibodies for strep -

it doesn't mean there is any active strep infection.
with most infections - a IgG result just indicates your immune system has seen that organism in the past at some point - not that it is necessarily present now.

if you have no symptoms of lyme - and you have had suitable treatment - then i think you are in the clear

all the best!