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Posted 2/19/2012 4:16 PM (GMT -5)
I have been on heparin, but its just getting too expensive. so i need to consider changing

i had and am going to have fibrin levels checked soon, but know i am genetically predicposed to fibrin and had a test done a few years ago which showed very high levels of fibrin when i was experiencing mostly lyme related issues--had recently had two tick bites on back of head-lost hearin and then had what i think was a spider bite on face at night

hemex labs and DR david berg's theory is these bugs-virus's and even heavy metals create fibrin thick blood

the calcium bomb book discusses this phenomena although it suggests edta which is very toxic removing many essentail minerals

so here is what i understand are blood thinners and reduce fibrin-plaque

-fish oil

-combination Vitamion C and lysine

-serraptease-lumbrokinase-nattokinase

-certain enzymes i think the word is proleotic, like bromelain

anything else here that people are aware of. thanks Michael

Posted 2/19/2012 4:30 PM (GMT -5)
I don't have any more to add to your list, but I did want to say that I just started using Bromelain, and I know that many here use/used Lumbrokinase the brand name being "Boluoke". You should use our search function to see what people thought of the Boluke lumbrokinase.
Posted 2/19/2012 4:42 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Traveler, yes, i have read about and actually used bouloke barnd from canada many years ago..so guess I will try that

have u noticed anything different with bromelain
Posted 2/19/2012 4:46 PM (GMT -5)
I have only just started using it as of yesterday evening, so I don't think so. I have definitely turned a corner in my healing over this weekend, having reached a slightly higher level of health (Yippee!! turn), so I'm trying to figure out what's what still. I don't figure I've taken it long enough to notice anything yet.
Posted 2/19/2012 4:53 PM (GMT -5)
wow good for you...means we get to ask more questions
Posted 2/19/2012 4:58 PM (GMT -5)
LOL!! Go right ahead and ask all the questions you want!!! turn Giggle!! That doesn't mean I can interpret what's going on though!!! LOL!!!

Seriously, I'll answer any question that I can! :-)
Posted 2/19/2012 6:17 PM (GMT -5)
mercury,

i am on heparin shots also and they have saved me from so many of those stoke like migrains.

I have tried the nanotakense and wobezymes and they seem to make me feel worse. I tried taking early without any food and then eventually ended up back on the heparin. I paid cash for my heparin for over a year and really didn't use it as much as I should because it was so expensive. now it is covered on my insurance. thank God.
The fibrin thing you mentioned is interesting. I keep nagging my whole family to do the ISAC panel for thick blood but they don't.

The thing about fish oil from what I have been told it mercury in it.

I did the EDTA IV type heavy metal detox and first time it was like I had an immaculate healing. and I had to pee over night for them to test after and also get remineralized IV the next day. I did it again and it felt like crushed glass in my chest and head. I did it again and seemed like nothing.

But origionally I was so neurotoxic I couldn't walk right and making faces and weard neuro stuff was happening so it really did get me out of the danger zone.

I am curious about the Valtrex ? Does it help you feel any bettter. There has to be something for the EBV.

I asked my doctor about what else for heparin and he said nothing. At one point my levels got down low enough and he put me on a supplement that was like a combo of these protoletic things but I didn't take it constitantly.

so if you do go that route first get your numbers down by doing the shots and then jump over to them but trying to take them to get thinner from thick might make you feel more flu like it did with me.

Have you taken parasite meds? Have you tested for parasites.
that was the other treatment that made huge difference for me.

other than ozonating my blood for mold which made me feel great but am still living in same place.

good luck
Posted 2/19/2012 8:41 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Bucci

cannot figure out valtex--its supposed to be good for ebv's. I had 500 mgs tabls and r/x was for 500 mgs-2x a day..first one i took gave me severe anxiety..so i stopped..then i started at approx 250 mgs-2 times a day when i started with lactoferrin

the heparain protocol per David Berg at Hemex labs, is i think,
a) take heparin for 30 days to reduce fibrin or some of it
b) then do anti-virals and heparin together, as viral die off-parasite die off, etc will create more fibrin
C) think he says to add lumbrokinase in month 2-3 as well
I will try to find protocl and writings that a lyme patient did which sumamrized it very well
he says his labs tests are more reliable and I would tend to believe him as thats all they do and his reserach is quite active in lyme community I believe

so i hate to disagree with dr but it makes sense taht you ahev to take something for al the crud tahtw ill be released when you break up the fibrin. In the Book, The Calcium Bomb, they found that taking tetracyclines worked best in conjuction with EDTA, as the Tetracycline crossed BBB and if they did not use Tetracycline many people got sicker after EDTA, (as bugs-bacteria were released)

yes. i think my parasites or some are under control, I have found the living streams products have really helped my gut and i think parasites as most were in lower intestine

there is a serotonin connection to the fibrin and imbalance i believe. I had neurotransmitters done and serotonin was way too high-dopamine too low. I believe i have what is called serotonin uptake issues-too much serotonin
production in gut . in fact i know i have some dysregulation with serotonin as 5HTP really sets me off with anxiety
seronin is said to increase fibrin as it constricts blood vessels i believe and is implicated in migraines as well. There is a herb feverfew which is suppsoed to work to reduce serotonin. Firs time i took it. i had the best sleep in months but that only lasted 1 night... Plus i seem to do much betetr on L-phenylalanine which is dopamine precursor


I think maybe i should be doing more blood thinning as to me, this is why i have severe head fog, low energy not enough blood to brain and now that immune system is stronger -more viral die off..

thanks
Michael
Posted 2/19/2012 8:57 PM (GMT -5)
sorry my brain does not finish thoughts properly

valtex, i stpped it for the second time a week or so ago at 250 mgs =2 times a day
as i was pretty sure it was building anxiety..i mean it could be that it was just killing too many viral things and increasing fibrin...i have been doing lactoferrin for 2.5 weeks now and it is supposd to be heavy duty anti-viral

a friend of mine swears by it-valtex, that t helped him, but we are all different

I am not sure of one your comments, BUT doing the heparin alone created much herxing or aches-pains in the frist month..thats why i pleaded with dr to get to anti-virals..i am little better now

I thnk what really broke up fibrin was doing 5-6 magnesum-Vitamin C' IV's..I know i got sick after this treatment..more physical sick..i still had and have limited cognitive function both b4 and after magnesium Iv's

so maybe its time to get back to blood thinning ...its all a fine balance
Posted 2/19/2012 9:12 PM (GMT -5)
Gordon summary of Berg's treatment-time line
http://gordonresearch.com/articles_fibromyalgia/cfs-fm_treatment_hemex.html


Summary of Berg's work
http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/hypercoagulation.html


sorry for any confusion, i see where Bergs lab is called the ISAC panel, i think
Posted 2/20/2012 3:09 PM (GMT -5)
For blood thinning and anti-inflammatory response, I'll just take and aspirin and it seems to work quite well. And, fish oil, you are right about mercury. Take care to get mercury -free fish oil. I use Barleans brand. Or, krill oil is good too.

Post Edited (yazzer) : 2/20/2012 1:12:51 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 2/21/2012 9:37 AM (GMT -5)
I was using fish oil, but I have found that buy using Flax seed, I not only get the Omega 3's, but a great dose of fiber as well. I like the "coarse ground' flax the best since I just put it in my morning oatmeal. Three tablespoons of flax seed will give a person 3,000 mgs of Omega 3 - and using this amount daily has helped to decrease the amount of body-wide arthritic-type of pain that I have as well. It's also pretty inexpensive when I buy it in bulk at my health food store!!!
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