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Posted 12/28/2012 10:22 PM (GMT -5)
Does anyone know if the Neuro-Antitox II Basic can be taken while on abx.? I'm taking Minocycline, Ceftin, and Rifampin.

I really think that my bad flares and symptoms are due to neuro. toxins. I am doing everything I can to detox as much as possible, but it doesn't seem to make a bit of difference during my flares.

I just wasn't sure if there is an interaction w/ abx.

I was thinking about ordering the Neuro-Antitox II Basic
Posted 12/29/2012 12:51 PM (GMT -5)
No, there is no reason why this can't be taken with abx, but I would suggest that you either email Deejavu (Denise) -who knows oh-so-much about Dr. J and his products, or better yet, go to the Hansa website and use the chat feature and ask for yourself.
hansacenter.com/

Just look to the bottom right hand corner of your screen when you get to his site - you'll see the little window waiting for you to click on it to start the chat!
Posted 12/29/2012 1:31 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Mystery,

Yes, you can take any of the Jernigan botanicals with most antibiotics (if I remember correctly, the only antibiotic that may cause problems is Flagyl but I would have to double check on that).

Click on the Catalog link and it will bring you to a new site.

Scroll down and you will see all the different Neuro-Antitoxes and click on each one so you can read about them to see which Neuro-Antitox is right for you (I took the CNS/PNS formula) which helped me.

http://jernigannutraceuticals.com/home.html

If you need more help, let me know.

Good luck!

Denise

Posted 12/29/2012 2:18 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Denise!

I just called my pharmacist also and he said there is no interaction w/ ethanol alcohol and the abx. I'm on. Yes, you're right about the Flagyl. He made sure that I'm not on Flagyl. Do you take the neuro-antitox w/ the ethanol alcohol or w/ the cider-vinegar? From the website description, it sounds like the ethanol formula is absorbed straight into the bloodstream, so I'm thinking that might be more effective than the cider-vinegar formula, which it says is absorbed through the GI tract.

Most of my symptoms are neuro. I do have pain, especially muscle pain, but it's definitely not the most debilitating part of my Lyme Symptoms. Most are Neuro.-vision, nerve pain, tingling, burning, twitching, cognitive problems. So, I think I'll order the CNS/PNS formula.

Thanks so much for your help w/ this and the sauna info.!!! Hopefully the combo. of those 2 things will help me feel a little better and make it more tolerable.
Posted 12/29/2012 2:33 PM (GMT -5)
Hi again Mystery,

You are quite welcome!  If you don't have a problem with alcohol, then I would order the ethanol base.  I am a recovering alcoholic (since 1984) and the apple cider vinegar base was not invented when I used Dr. J's protocol so I had to put the droppers in a glass of water and let it sit for 15 to 20 minutes before I could drink it. 

Anyway, I know you will feel great from the CNS/PNS formula based on your symptoms plus using the sauna! 

I can't wait to hear how you feel!  I'm really excited for you!!! Yeahhhhhh!  yeah

Now, when are you going to start doing coffee enema's?  LOLOL!  I'm teasing!

Denise

Posted 12/29/2012 2:43 PM (GMT -5)
Oh, one more question Denise. I'm also getting ready to start grapefruit seed extract. Any bad interaction w/ that? Thanks for taking the time to help me w/ this. My Dr. is out until Jan. 7 & I want to go ahead and order it.
Posted 12/29/2012 2:54 PM (GMT -5)
Believe me, I've thought about the coffee enemas, lol! Anything to feel better!
Posted 12/29/2012 3:20 PM (GMT -5)
Mystery Illness,

My daughter had been having headaches for years when we took her to the Hansa Center almost 3 years ago. Dr. J. identified ammonia in the brain as being responsible for this. I don't think that they offered as many versions of the Antitox as they do now. Dr. J. custom tailored something that he gave to Heather to eliminate the headaches. I believe that it was the same formulation that later came to be known as the Antitox II CNS/PNS. It eliminated Heather's headaches completely. I highly recommend it.

Don
Posted 12/29/2012 3:22 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks, Don! I just ordered it and I'm excited to start it and hoping for some relief. I ordered the CNS/PNS formula.
Posted 1/3/2013 3:58 PM (GMT -5)
Hey Deejavu!
Just recieved my neuro antitox CNS formula. When you started it, did you start with the full dropper 3 times per day or did you start out slower?
Posted 1/3/2013 4:06 PM (GMT -5)
Mystery Illness,

I am glad that you are ready to start using it. Unfortunately I don't remember the dosage at the beginning. You will definitely have to speak to Deejavu about that. I hope that it helps you!

Don
Posted 1/3/2013 4:25 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Don. Yes, I'm really hoping it helps some. I can feel a major flare coming on; I think I stayed in the detox bath too long this morning. Hopefully this helps take the "edge" off, although I know that it will take time to help.
Posted 1/3/2013 5:24 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Mystery,

Yep, I started with a full dropper 3 times a day.  If I remember correctly, a full dropper is about 30 drops (I used to count them.  The dropper inside would squeeze up the botanical about 3/4's full which is normal).   I had to put the drops in a glass of water and let it sit because of the alcohol.  But you can put it under your tongue, swish it around your mouth (because there are lyme bacteria and toxins in your mouth) and then swallow it.

Let me know how it goes okay?

Denise

Posted 1/3/2013 8:22 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Denise,

Yes, I noticed that it pulled it up to about 1/2 to 3/4 full. So, I tried to eye it and basically took 2 - half droppers full.I may count instead. I mixed w/ water, but I may try just putting it in my mouth directly. i didn't think about the mouth having toxins also.

Thanks!
Posted 1/4/2013 6:45 AM (GMT -5)
You are quite welcome Mystery!  Yep, our mouth has toxins, heavy metals (depending if one has mercury fillings), and lyme bacteria like to hide in the teeth.  That's why it's good to "swish" the botanical around before swallowing it.

Gosh, I remember counting those 30 drops!  After a while you will know how full the dropper should be and you won't have to count anymore.

Good luck!!!

Denise

Posted 1/4/2013 5:56 PM (GMT -5)
Okay so I realize this is a strange question. But usually there are a ton of reviews for EVERYTHING. I've been reading up on the Hansa center and jernigan treatments and I can't find any reviews which means I'm assuming that the Hansa center and/or Jernigans do not want that information available. I'm just curious why? Anyone have any thoughts on this? I can tell a lot of people on here swear by it and considering ya'll have made a ton of suggestions that have worked really well for me...it just mystifies me that they wouldn't want the reviews. Unless I had gone to this forum I could have searched dozens of pages of lyme treatments before the Hansa center or Jernigan products came up...just wondering. :)
Posted 1/4/2013 6:13 PM (GMT -5)
What kind of reviews are you looking for? Patient reviews (or testimonials)? You can check the BBB for that area:www.bbb.org/wichita/business-reviews/health-and-medical-general/hansa-center-for-optimum-health-in-wichita-ks-3101#reasonrating

Just trying to understand what it is exactly that you are looking for, so that I can see if I can help any. :-)
Posted 1/4/2013 7:40 PM (GMT -5)
Looking for independent reviews, they have a ton on their website but you know how on Amazon you can rate products or on some websites you can rate drs. I don't really need any reviews, I'm just curious - that's all.
Posted 1/5/2013 11:33 AM (GMT -5)
You're right, there aren't many 'independent' reviews out there - but that stands true for a lot of clinics. From what I've learned over the years of researching different doctors and clinics - both for personal reasons and for others on the forum - there usually aren't many independent reviews available on clinics and most doc's.

I use sites like "Ratemd's", "Health grades" and some others to help give me a sense of the the doc's views and how s/he stacks up. Here are a few that I've found for Dr. David Jernigan himself:
www.wellness.com/dir/4142657/holistic-care/ks/wichita/david-jernigan-hansa-center-for-optimum-health-dc-dnm

www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/3079718/Dr-DAVID-JERNIGAN-WICHITA-KS.html

www.healthgrades.com/provider/david-jernigan-3dv7r

lyme-aware.org/news/lydias-blog/355-kansas-dr-david-jernigan.html

Hopefully these will give you a better 'sense' of him.

OH - and I don't receive any benefits or compensation for providing or helping to provide info on this doc or his practice. My only goal is to help others find the info they are looking for!
Posted 1/12/2013 9:44 PM (GMT -5)
Deejavu,

Well, unfortunately, I seemed to have felt much worse on the neuro. antitox. I have no idea why or how or if it was just a coincidence, but 2 days after I started taking it, i got so much worse. Especially the pain. I also started sneezing a ton. I thought I was getting a cold and maybe I was and that's why I was sicker? I stopped taking the antitox after 5 days and I'm doing better. i may try it again in a week or 2 just to see if it was coincidental. Have you heard of anyone initially feeling worse from it?

The sauna helps a lot. I feel much better for about 4 hours after I use it! Yeah!!!
Posted 1/12/2013 9:54 PM (GMT -5)
Mystery,

Just some more info to add. I have not felt worse on it, but feel better.

Some of my neuro symptoms have been flaring (head funk, head aches, smelling ammonia), along with sore throat, cold/virus like symptoms. Had phone consult with Dr. J who said to take the neuro as much as needed...it seems to help my head funk and the ammonia smell goes away. He said you can take up to 1 oz per day as it is very safe. I have been taking 2-3 droppers 5 times per day the past few days. Also am taking virogen now. Had stopped the lymogen and am back on it also. Think I stopped it too soon. The whole lot seem to be helping.

good luck!

Nan
Posted 1/12/2013 9:56 PM (GMT -5)
woops....need to clarify: I am taking the Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS (targeted for neurotoxins/brain/central nervous system). So it is a bit different from the basic.
Posted 1/12/2013 10:06 PM (GMT -5)
I was taking the CNS/PNS form of it also. Hmmm? Not sure why I felt so much worse while taking it. Doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I have an allergy to it or maybe it was just coincidental?
Posted 1/13/2013 8:36 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Mystery,

I forgot what else you are taking so perhaps if you could refresh my memory (I don't read all the posts here) then perhaps there is a good reason why the Neuro-Antitox is making you feel this way.

The purpose of any Neuro-Antitox formula is to bind all the toxins, heavy metals, etc. so you can purge them out of your body.  I wonder if the "binding" process is too much for you, in that case, maybe lower your dose.

That's all I can think of right now.

Hang in there!

Denise

Posted 1/13/2013 11:49 AM (GMT -5)
Isn't it possible that although Mystery is taking something to bind those toxins that her body is still having difficulty moving those toxins out?
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