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Posted 4/8/2014 9:47 AM (GMT -5)
So I'm starting the cowden protocol next week. Anybody have any experience with this. My LLMD said that it is compatable with antibiotics and had an 85 percent success rate so I'm very hopeful.
Posted 4/8/2014 9:53 AM (GMT -5)
I only take the Samento and Banderol from Cowden. Those two really hit me hard (in a good way). I can feel them working but I usually herx from them.
Posted 4/8/2014 9:56 AM (GMT -5)
My personal take on the cowden protocol is that the banderol and samento herbs are excellent against Lyme. They help knock out biofilms and treat various forms. My LLMD said he is not impressed with how well it works on co-infections of bartonella and babesia though.
Posted 4/8/2014 10:11 AM (GMT -5)
Great thank you. I currently do not have any co-infections, but they showed up as previous but not active infection on my igenex blood work. I've just had an icredibly difficult time finding something that really attacks the lyme.
Posted 4/8/2014 10:54 AM (GMT -5)
I am doing a modified Cowden and have seen a lot of improvement, especially with depression, fatigue, and insomnia. I herxed with drop increases (chest pressure, fatigue, and elevated heart rate). I am now taking 30 drops twice a day of each. The LLND's protocol is to take the Banderol and Samento (30 drops) for 3 months and then pulse the other herbs.
Posted 4/8/2014 11:31 AM (GMT -5)
Great. I'm hoping this can get me over the top.
Posted 4/8/2014 1:53 PM (GMT -5)
Hi,

Cowden causes a very strong herx, plus his protocol uses tons of herbs.

I started with ONLY the Samento and the Banderol, along with the Burbur, Pinella, and Parsley, and just those five caused me to improve dramatically after about six weeks. But I went up very, very gradually. Oh, and I also made a tiny bit of Houttuynia Tea on the side.

If you do the protocol the Cowden way, I can almost guarantee you will get sick. I would start with one or two drops of the Samento and Banderol a week.

Good luck,

Margaret
Posted 4/8/2014 2:06 PM (GMT -5)
The Banderol and Samento are the Cowden protocols signature herbs though. And some Lyme Literate Doctors have tried it on patients and are finding that it isn't as effective for babesia treatment.

I tried almost all of the Cowden herbs, maybe not long enough to notice major changes with the other ones. But I definitely got good results with Samento and Banderol. I tried the Cumanda and that is supposed to be another really good herb in the protocol. Houttuynia also brought out bartonella symptoms when I first did it like burning in the shins but I haven't been consistent with it like I should have been. But I think this Houttuynia would be cheaper from other sources.

One thing about the cowden protocol is that I was using it and I just got to a plateau of feeling like around 65-70% better and then that was it. I just decided I wanted to go on antibiotics and then went on antibiotics and ended up getting the next plateau. But I didn't give the other herbs enough time. I know banderol and samento are the stars in the protocol and have continued to take them on and off with my antibiotics.
Posted 4/8/2014 4:31 PM (GMT -5)
If you want to save money, just do the Samento and the Banderol, then order big bags of Houttuynia and Elecampane teas. I would also do Burbur (and maybe Parsley and Pinella). I found the Burbur to be very effective, and I still use it.

Margaret
Posted 4/8/2014 4:38 PM (GMT -5)
I wonder if I take Samento with A-L complex if they are compatible?

Where do you get the Houttuynia tea from?

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Posted 4/8/2014 6:23 PM (GMT -5)
I will have to look. It's pretty cheap. I think Samento works better with Banderol, although I can no longer do either of those herbs (at least for now), bc of my gut problems. Margaret
Posted 4/8/2014 10:35 PM (GMT -5)
Banderol and Samento are actually maybe one of the best things for Lyme. They work better together than each one works alone, so they are synergistic and work about as good as doxycycline, BUT won't drive up the cyst round body form. Also knocks out Lyme biofilms together.

I wonder what the dosing is for A-L? I just got my A-Bart in the mail today and it says 1 drop twice per week. That seems like nothing at all!
Posted 4/9/2014 7:12 AM (GMT -5)
I started on abx, took them for about 15 months, in different combinations.

Then beginning of December, my dr decided to put me on a modified Cowden Protocol. I started with Samento and Banderol (alternating), then at the end of January, I had to add Cumanda and Burbur.

Burbur works well for detoxing, this is the first time I feel something works for detoxing, I'm a curious case, they can't find the reason why, but this seems to do something.

Samento is really potent, you will have to increase your intake really really slowly. 4,5 months after starting it, I'm still only taking 7 drops per day. I tried to go to 8 a few days ago, and I'm herxing like crazy. Can hardly stand up or walk. It's like my joints and bones are stuck in a bench screw.

I would advice you to go very slow, that's all, don't want to scare you at all.

If I stay on the previous dosage, I have days that my joint and muscle pain is less intense, and my stomach is much better without the abx.

My dr believes this is a good treatment. You could read these findings from the University of New Haven:

http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html

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