I've done a little research on a controversial herb called Kratom that produces euphoric opiate like effects that is being sold legally in gas stations and head shops. Some states are trying to make it illegal because of the high you can get.

After looking into it, several people use it therapeutically for chronic pain, anxiety, depression, to get off hard drugs, etc.

It seems relatively safe and effective with the only drawback being occasional nausea and some people get dependent on it. Although it's not anywhere near the risk of any hard drug or prescription pain meds/benzos.

It's very affordable and can be bought in bulk. I'm very interested in trying it to try and get off taking Tramadol everyday for pain. The added psychological benefits would be nice too.

Dosing is important and you can actually get high from it so it requires a lot of research. And it's certainly not for everyone.

Has anyone with Lyme tried this? I saw a few posts from years back but nothing too widespread. The effects seem very desirable as long as it doesn't do any harm in the long run. I just don't want any reactions or withdrawals although I've never had an addiction problem with prescription drugs.

Anyone have some insight?

I'm bumping this because I have seen great relief from kratom

I am seriously considering buying a plant... haven't pulled out the Visa yet...
but... bookmarked one page...heading to others now. I am enthralled...
finding this plant to be absolutely fascinating!

I was just listening to S.H. Buhner yesterday on Youtube... i have been very
interested in his protocol... but i knew i would need plenty of research before
going on that path.

I did began my own natural detox protocol with tweaks from some of what
i have learned on this forum... and then heading into a deeper protocol in a
few days.

And now this... hmmm... so interesting to me... since i have been a chronic
pain patient for over ten years... taking vicoden after a failed spine fusion in
2005... becoming tolerant and dependent in order to function minimally. (ugh!)

I didn't even take tylenol before this!

I had always resented being "forced" to take any kind of "pills" for an ailment...
i preferred to "ride it out" whenever possible... even when i didn't know what
fasting or eating organicallymeant... i preferred only the minimal amount of the
most natural foods...and hot tea.

What five year old sips hot tea anyway? Well now i am beginning to see...
what some invisible part of me knew... "the plants are our friends"...
they have been whispering to us for years...

But unless we have been raised by someone, or around someone with this
knowledge... we have no frame of reference to be able to hear the whispers.

Ok... I'm gettin to deep...and i have an appt to get to...

My original purpose was to simply Thank You for starting this thread

Post Edited (Bellyfull) : 6/11/2015 9:14:16 AM (GMT-6)

Hey Brian... good to know... i think i would be interested in the white vein
for energy...
Can you tell more about that one please... thank you :)