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Posted 9/13/2015 4:49 PM (GMT -5)
How many times are you taking these herbs per day?
How many drops each time you take them (or what is the goal your working up too?

Did they help you?

I've learned from a couple other members on here that my dosage may be non effective. My LLND has me taking my Samento and Banderol only once a day and the goal is for me to increase to 30 drops.

It seems like I may be the only one taking these herbs only once a day and consuming only 30 drops (once I get there) per day.

Trying to get enough info together to talk to my LLND when I see her in a week to discuss some possible changes in my dosage.
Posted 9/13/2015 4:56 PM (GMT -5)
I don't take it...but the Cowden schedule shows it twice daily. And separately.

www.nutramedix.ec/ns/images/stories/CSP05052015Schedule_1.pdf

Can you take the schedule to your LLND?

I think it just makes more sense to divide your dose and take it twice daily...
All the protocols - whether it's antibiotics or herbs are more than once daily.
(Buhner, Cowden, Chronic Tonic, etc.)

I'm sorry you're in this position - of having to question your Dr.
Posted 9/13/2015 5:11 PM (GMT -5)
Are you on a full Cowden Protocol, or only taking Samento and Banderol?

I was on what's known to be the Eva Sapi protocol: Samento, Banderol, Cumanda and Burbur (for Borellia and Bartonella). I took it for 15 months, but was not able to get past 6 drops of Samento per day. 6/day made me stay in bed, so I had to go to 4drops/day. It made me herx bad. Banderol was easier, but had the tendancy to provoke immune reactions.

I had that reaction from several people who were on the full Cowden Protocol, but there's no way I could do 30dr/day. I think
I wouldn't have survived (My bacterial load is very high and I don't detox well, so herxing a lot).
Posted 9/13/2015 6:07 PM (GMT -5)
Girlie: Thanks for the link. I don't ink for my printer and too broke to buy any right now lol actually that' not funny :(. But I will verbally tell her about how all protocols are more than once daily. And I will explain that Cowden uses these herbs twice a day.

It made more sense to my husband as well, about dividing the dosage into two instead of one. Especially considering I'm not doing well once I got to 12 drops and even now at 10 I'm having a somewhat hard time at this dosage. If I divide it into TWO dosages, AM 5 drops and PM 10 drops, its not such a big dose at once for me to handle. And like CD said in another post, doing it twice a day gives me more coverage throughout the day rather than only taking them once a day.

And yes, it does really really suck having to question my doctor on this. :( I do trust her and he is very knowledgeable.. but maybe she can learn a bit from me.

Hey Marie: No, I'm not on the full protocol. I'm just taking Samento + Banderol, and tomorrow I'm starting Burbur + Pinella. (plus all the other supplements I'm taking). I'm finding the Samento + Banderol strong now, once I made my way to 12 drops I had to go back down to 10 then I went back to 12 now back to 10 and still having a hard time after days. I felt my best at around 8 drops. I've been taking them 5 weeks now. What do you take the Cumanda for? Lyme or co? Do you find the Burbur helps? Have you tried Pinella? How are you feeling now? Any better?
Posted 9/13/2015 6:42 PM (GMT -5)
Do you have a smart phone or tablet, JessicaMommy?

If yes, maybe you could send the link to yourself so you can show it to your LLMD in the event she's not familiar.

You know, you were researching the herbs online because you wanted to learn more about what you're taking and "stumbled upon" the Nutramedix site ;)
Posted 9/13/2015 6:48 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks CD, great suggestion!

It's always so hard confronting your doctor with a better way to do something - you don't want to make them look... silly or whatever word you would use for it. I also don't want her to think I don't trust her. But she DID tell me, if in my researching and I come across something, don't ever be afraid to bring it up to her. And she said sometimes patients know more than the doctor. So hopefully she remembers that! lol ;) She said that after I told her about how Burbur & Pinella was suppose to be excellent for detox - she looked into it and at my next appointment told me I was right and she was impressed with everything she was reading about it for the use in Lyme Disease. Then she told me about making sure to bring anything up I might stumble on and never be afraid to mention something.

Post Edited (JessicaMommy) : 9/13/2015 5:51:00 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/13/2015 6:56 PM (GMT -5)
It seems she doesn't use a lot of detox methods in her treatment (hence why she didn't know how good burbur and pinella are for detoxing). She isn't against detoxing and she was happy I was drinking lots of lemon water and taking Epsom salt baths when I told her I was - but she wasn't the one to tell me to do it, you guys were! lol I've noticed some doctors just don't seem to push the idea of how important detox is.
Posted 9/13/2015 7:04 PM (GMT -5)
I don't think most docs understand how important it really is to us yet is why.
Posted 9/13/2015 9:17 PM (GMT -5)
I'm taking quina and houttynia from cowden's protocol right now and seeing results the past few days. I also did ok on quina and cumanda combo. I didn't do well on samento, so I'm holding off on it for now. Burbur will help you a lot. I feel so much better after I take it. My llmd uses cowden and pulses abx.
Posted 9/14/2015 5:24 AM (GMT -5)
Sniogra: How many times a day does your LLMD have you take the herbs? And when you were doing the Samento when did he/she say to take it?

Excellent news about the Burbur! I'm hoping it helps. I'm also getting the Pinella to take with the Burbur.

That is great you're seeing results, Sniogra!
Posted 9/14/2015 7:27 AM (GMT -5)
Hey JessicaMommy

Cumanda was for Bartonella (via LLMD), I then sent an email to Lee Cowden about Yersiniosis, and he advice me to use Cumanda for that too.

For me, Burbur was the only detoxer that gave me a feeling that it helped a little bit. I never used Pinella though.

I'm not better yet (overall)... although that my Bartonella symptoms seemed to get better since last year, but they started flaring again a few weeks ago. Since my Bart symptoms were beter, the Lyme symptoms (especially the neuro ones) got much more intense.
I changed to the Chronic Tonic now. And taking Houttuynia again since this week.
Posted 9/14/2015 8:15 AM (GMT -5)
I wonder why my LLND told to take my Samento & Banderol only 1x a day instead of splitting it into two doses, am and pm?

I remember when she started me on my herbs 5 weeks ago her saying "I know it says on the bottle to take them 2x a day but you only need to take them once a day and take them in the morning."
Posted 9/14/2015 8:29 AM (GMT -5)
I used to split it up in 2 or 3 times per day.

Patients that were reacting worse than me (some can only take 1 or 2 drops per day), had to put that one or 2 drops in a bottle of water and drink it throughout the day cause the herxes were too bad.

I forgot to mention that we are supposed to take Samento and Banderol alternately.
Posted 9/14/2015 8:34 AM (GMT -5)

JessicaMommy said...
I wonder why my LLND told to take my Samento & Banderol only 1x a day instead of splitting it into two doses, am and pm?

I remember when she started me on my herbs 5 weeks ago her saying "I know it says on the bottle to take them 2x a day but you only need to take them once a day and take them in the morning."


I'm really sorry to put it this way, but the only reason a doctor would say this is because they don't understand, weren't properly educated about or something along those lines. No one that I've come across with a success story to tell only took medication once a day to beat these infections unless they were just starting out and would be titrating up.
Posted 9/14/2015 9:29 AM (GMT -5)
Traveler when people take the herbs twice a day how many drop are they usually working up to at each dose? 15 or 30 drops at both am and pm dose?
Posted 9/14/2015 9:54 AM (GMT -5)
Looking at the schedule from the Cowden website that Girlie left a link to earlier in this thread, it seems that people are working up to 30 drops 2x/day, along with several other cowden herbs.
Posted 9/14/2015 10:02 AM (GMT -5)

DazedPete1 said...
Looking at the schedule from the Cowden website that Girlie left a link to earlier in this thread, it seems that people are working up to 30 drops 2x/day, along with several other cowden herbs.

And, I believe it's the addition of the other herbs that makes the program effective.

Herbs work synergistically - they enhance the actions of each other.

That's why we expect your LLND to increase your dose/dosing times/herb selection as you move forward.
Posted 9/14/2015 10:14 AM (GMT -5)
Jessica,

My LLMD doses me at twice day. I do 30 minutes before breakfast and 30 minutes before dinner. He wanted to me start at 5 drops each herb, but I started one drop a day and I'm slowly building up. For some reason, he doesn't use Banderol. I'm also taking lumbrokinase for biofilms.
Posted 9/14/2015 10:47 AM (GMT -5)
I haven't been able to open the link for the Cowden schedule because a program on my computer blocks it. I'll have to get my ipad charged and open it.

Thanks for the responses.

I can't help but think my LLND has a plan for me and will increase the amount of times I take the herbs a day. Or reasoning as to why I'm only taking them once a day. I see her next week for my B12 shot so I will ask her. I don't want to wait that long but I guess its just another week. In the meantime, I'll stick to my once a day (unless I change my mind) until I talk to her. She also has me only taking my probiotic once a day... I wonder if I should be taking it twice a day if I switch to taking my herbs twice a day? My probiotic is called HMF Forte, it goes in the fridge and on the back of it, it says "Probiotic Consortium................ 10 billion CFU."
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