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Posted 12/21/2015 9:38 AM (GMT -5)
So, I stumbled onto Lyme because I was prescribed Plaquenil for Fibromyalgia joint pain. Surprisingly (or not so surprisingly), my drenching sweats and a few other symptoms went away. My eye doctor asked me about Lyme and I did my research and here I am.

So that was a year ago. There have been major events in my life that put off everything involved in treating Lyme including getting the Igenex test done until last July. It came back positive. The LLMD I saw once is not practicing right now, so no treatment plan. She's pretty much the only doc in my state.

When I was researching Lyme, Pirouette sent me here and suggested that I start on Olive Leaf to provoke the Lyme (I have been sick at least 35 years, maybe longer). I did that while still taking the Plaquenil. The first week I was really sick and extremely exhausted - good news since it probably meant that something was changing in my body and I was probably herxing. I also got a fever blister for the first time in at least 6 years, so things were definitely being stirred up.

I was finally able to get the Igenex test done in July but I kept taking the Olive Leaf and Plaquenil. The test came back positive for both CDC and Igenex. I was also clinincally diagnosed with Bartonella and Babesia by the LLMD. Blood tests she ordered also showed Mycoplasma and Chlymidia P. and the EBV panel lit up like a Christmas tree.

Added to all this was the results of my 23 and me tests. I don't have the MTFHR mutation, that would have been easier. I have tons of other mutations which on paper block every cycle in the Liver Detox and Methylation processes.

I recently tried adding pinella, burbur and parsley for detox at really low doses.

I figured out about 3 weeks ago that the drenching sweats were coming back and I was feeling sicker all around. It was at the same time that I did the interpretation of my 23 and me data. I was about to head on vacation and decided to see what would happen if I went back to what I was taking a year ago before the doc (my ex-rheumatologist) prescribed Plaquenil. No Olive leaf, no Microbinate (described by the LLMD as something that wouldn't stir things up), no Plaquenil, No parsley, no burbur and no pinella. The only thing I kept was the pre/probiotic she suggested.

I started feeling better. I'm pretty sure that what was happening was that the bugs were being killed off (probably at a slow rate) and dumped into my blood stream. Since my detox pathways weren't working, they just built up in the blood until they started making me sick again. The symptoms that came back were the result of the immune system attacking the dead bugs and their toxins.

So I wonder what detox methods people use that are passive. Methods that only clean things out but don't kill off the bugs or stimulate a reaction from the bugs.

For example, I expect that activated charcoal is fine. It binds the toxins in the GI system and expels them without simulating anything.

I also expect that Epsom Salt baths are ok as long as the temperature is low. The magnesium helps the body and so does the oxygen in the Hydrogen Peroxide. But it's very possible that I'm wrong on this.

Oil pulling should be passive. the ionic foot bath is equivocal.

I expect a sauna is not passive. I know that people have trouble with sunlight (me included) and a couple of months ago I developed tiny blisters on my arms that were uncovered. I read a post by someone talking about sunlight causing die-off (or a reaction) which resulted in skin changes including blisters. So if it was heat and not sunlight - the sauna would be out.

Everything else is up for grabs.

I have decided to take a leaf out of Traveler's book and spend time detoxing before trying to actually kill the bugs. I'm also planning on treating my candida and fixing my diet. I hope to also figure out how to fix the problems cause by my DNA.

So I'm looking for detox methods that will only clean things up without making things worse.

thanks, Kim
Posted 12/21/2015 9:58 AM (GMT -5)
Hi,

I am in the same boat. My body is ready to kill everything and any little thing I do causes a huge herx. If my bath is even just a little too hot, I break out in a very bad rash on my stomach.

I have had some luck recently with wrapping a cod-liver oil soaked cloth around my liver. I sprinkle frankincense, myrrh and lavender on it. I can't remember why but I read about those essential oils doing something good (lol). Anyway, I immediately get a very nice warming sensation and some of my neurological symptoms subside. You could try that. I use an ace bandage to keep it in place and then an old rag on top to protect the clothing because it stains things.

I started on the pinella/burbur and not sure if its working yet. I think it might be a little. I also added the NAC 900 mg in the afternoon and that took away a lot of my tingling and head fizzing. Good luck.
Posted 12/21/2015 10:34 AM (GMT -5)
That leads to the question, does anyone know what action each of the detox methods take?
Posted 12/21/2015 10:37 AM (GMT -5)
To be honest I think any detox method will rely on mobilizing toxins and so can cause additional feelings of toxicity if more toxins are mobilized than can be eliminated.

Probably the key will just be going very slow and not overdoing any of the methods. For me the sauna is hands down the best way of detoxing, because it opens up another pathway for the toxins to be eliminated (the skin) and takes the pressure off your liver and kidneys. However if you are sensitive to heat I'd start with only a few minutes and work up from there.

I also take Modified Citrus Pectin or Zeolite post sauna, and then oil pull to try to grab the last bit of toxins that have been mobilized into the bloodstream but didn't get sweated out. After the sauna is pretty much the best I ever feel, its all downhill from there as the toxicity builds up until the next session.
Posted 12/21/2015 1:04 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Gkamom- my detox method of choice is coffee enemas. Unpleasant to think about and embarrassing to admit but they help me to feel better every time. :) Castor oil packs are also supposed to stimulate lymph. I do those every now and again too. Good luck!
Posted 12/21/2015 1:45 PM (GMT -5)
I think and know so:

the baths with oxygen and magnesium help the detox pathways in the liver, production of Glutathione.Too hot water may kill bugs and mobilise to many toxins from the tissues.

Maybe coffee enema?Also producing glutathione?

Milk thistle 2x1000 mg get in the methylation pathways.

Another problem is histamine release(not only MCAD wise) due to adrenal fatigue.It is something I read yesterday, maybe I will try to post a link.So correction of adrenal fatigue!

dry brushing mobilizes lymph but, also toxins.

Check out very well your diet, especially if you know the results from 23 and me(I want to do that , too).

Liposomal glutathione, increases glutathione, detoxes, kills nothing.

Activated charcoal or cholestiramine.(only binds!)

Chlorella, binds heavy metals and toxins, no killing maybe.

And gkamom, you had so many well argumented posts and I thought you were far away in treatment, getting better.I also wish you the best with finding a good LLMD and getting on with treatment.I would try to help you more but, you know I do not know about herbs much.Still to buy the new Buhner book.

Greatings, Ioana. blush

Post Edited (finisului17) : 12/21/2015 11:48:51 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/21/2015 1:46 PM (GMT -5)
I have started dry brushing. Stimulating the lymphatic system gets the toxins moving, and brushing opens up the skin to be able to release the toxins. Follow the brushing with an epsom salt bath, or contrast shower. (hot, cold, hot, cold)
Posted 12/21/2015 8:11 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks all. I have been on Milk Thistle since I started reading the forum. Traveler suggested it at the very beginning. Right now it is the only thing I have kept since the begin is Milk Thistle.

Coffee enemas, I'm not sure about. I have read posts where people mention using enemas but I am not sure I could try it.

Ioana, I had been feeling better but the last year has been a complete disaster for me so when I started the Plaquenil in Nov 2014 and my drenching sweats went away so I was feeling better than I had in years. I am a researcher by nature so a lot of the info in my posts is the result of reading and learning and putting all the pieces together.

I'm still trying to figure it all out. I have been able to do much because of the other things going on in my life. In May my Dad went into the hospital for what was supposed to be an overnight observation and ended up having 10 surgeries. My mother had been in a nursing home with COPD. My Dad could no longer take care of her. I am POA and healthcare proxy for both, but one of my sisters (who is an alcoholic) and my niece didn't like that. They went behind my back and masqueraded as me when contacting the hospital and changed "my" phone number in the chart. It took most of the summer to figure out what was happening and correct it. My father ended up in a nursing home (a different one than my mother). The continued to try to change the contact info until the night before my my mother died. They also made scenes at the wake and funeral.

So for all this time I have been unable to take care of myself because i had primary responsibility for my parents. Oh, I forgot they are 700 miles away. One uncle and another sister are helping out but I have financial responsibility for both parents. Hope that you never have to file for Medicaid for anyone. It is a herculean task.

So just now that my mother has passed and my father is stable, I am able to start taking care of me. I still have to move my Dad to a place near me, but that is not so much work.

I went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, but just before that was when I found out my DNA is all messed up. I expected to be able to look into as soon as I got home, but the day before we went on vacation (a very wonderful, relaxing cruise) my daughter was in a car accident. Both cars were totaled and the girl in the other car pretty much shattered her ankle. My daughter was cited because she was turning left. However, the other girl was speeding and on her phone. It was a blind hill and the girl was behind the hill when my daughter started her turn. The other girl came over the hill too fast, hit my daughter's jeep, spun her in one and a quarter circle then the momentum of the impact threw the car about 20 feet. Oh and the girl was driving an Altima.

The police did not bother to ask about witnesses (which there were) and just told my daughter she was at fault. I also found out last week that because I hold the insurance policy, this girl can sue me even though i was not in the accident. My insurance company told me she is asking for more than our policy covers. I told my insurance company that even though my daughter was turning left, the girl was traveling faster than the speed limit so she was the person at fault. Today I found out that it is not just the girl but also the person who owned the car. She was driving someone else's car and as far as I can tell she is not insured by anyone.

So again, instead of taking care of me I am dealing with all this other stuff. Add to that the fact that my daughter has been in Orlando working a seasonal job and needs a car for work so we have to buy a car, register it and drive it down there. My daughter did just get hired permanently (Yeah!) and will be living in Orlando, but does not yet have a FL driver's license and can't buy a register a car there.

So add all that up and it's surprising that I'm not curled up in a ball telling the world to go away. (Although, I have felt that way.) I would say I am doing pretty well, but the decision to stop the plaquenil and all the new stuff was a good decision.

I think I will continue with the Milk Thistle, the activated Charcoal and add the Chorella and Oil pulling. Then maybe slowly add either the epsom salt baths or sauna. By then I should have most things off my plate and be able to figure out all the DNA stuff.

Thanks all for the info and support.
Kim
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